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To: boatbums
Yes, as you've said, thank you.

I would give some leeway for Mary herself having not thought he was "out of his mind", but since his brothers did (as it is written) then it is easy enough to imagine they may have turned on Mary to a degree also -- if only to express to her face -- that Jesus is fake/crazy/out of his gourd loony, etc.

That consideration is part of why at the foot of the cross -- where I do think what Simeon had prophesied to her more than thirty years prior -- that a sword would pierce her own soul also --- came to pass, occurred right then and there.

For by then, Jesus's miraculous ministry, His way of speaking and being -- Mary herself likely had come to believe even as she may have yet still struggled to understand, and what all these things would mean for her nation & people, and herself also.

But then -- when that which many were expecting did not come to pass -- and the opposite instead, all the hope, the beauty, strength and wisdom of spirit -- which was her very own flesh & blood son also! --- was murdered almost right before her eyes, herself standing there as He took his last breath? all of that all at once is far too much for any human to endure, so what ever it was which pierced her soul, whether that have been some type of attack on her own spirit by forces of darkness -- or if that piercing was some act of mercy from God to stop the interior cycling within her heart and mind of the stark horror (her own son, with the flesh torn open to expose his ribs, beaten and bloodied beyond comprehension!) causing her mind and will to possible have shut down in part, leaving her at that point -- possibly so utterly wounded within her own soul ---- she may not have been able to find her way home...with no desire to go to that place, anyway, wherever that was, possibly in Nazareth, days(?) distant travel, away?

Her other children, acquaintances, and relatives from Nazareth possibly had disowned her as it were, leaving her now alone, facing what no other human being had -- her own son, who was as she knew the Son of the most high also, the very hope of her nation, the one Messiah, all of that brutally swept away, seeming to have made God himself into being a cruel tormentor also --- in how her own hopes had been built up to then be so horrifically and utterly destroyed...

Yet the disciple whom Jesus loved, John, was there beside her. Who else better in the whole world at that moment could there have been for her, to be there?

And then, be there closely with her in the days following, until the time of the resurrection, and also those 40 days when Christ appeared to 500 people, John would be there as a son to her, to look out for and care for her, to reassure her -- yes! He is risen! it is true! (don't listen to the naysayers). Ah, and she dwelt with that disciple for the end of her days, some measure of safety, with huge measures of real and actual understanding -- not just projections of empathy, but John having faced the horror of it all also -- though not wounded as deeply as Mary, oh no.

I don't think anyone can know just what it was like for her completely, save for the One who knows the inwards parts of all of us...

Now I do confess that I am speculating in much of this, yet I do believe I'm at least in the neighborhood of accurate guesses towards these things.

From that --- I do not believe that I should look upon her as my own mother per se, though one could also imagine that she came to understand much, and had a perspective towards these events unmatchable by any.


2,568 posted on 12/19/2014 5:01:02 PM PST by BlueDragon (I could see sound,love,and the soundsetme Free,but youwerenot listening,so could not see)
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To: BlueDragon

Beautiful song!


2,576 posted on 12/20/2014 3:59:16 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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