Please do check it out at #292 (LINK)
I really think 99% of the non-Catholic misapprehension of this, is unfamiliarity with Biblical courtly behavior.
I checked your link and am curious (forgive me if you have already addressed this)...do you see the "veneration" that Catholics give to Mary as no more than the "respect" that Jacob gave Esau as he approached him? (That is on your list) The Scriptures clearly tell us that God hated Esau, so whatever Jacob might have been doing, he was not "venerating" Esau, now despised by God.
Bowing clearly is not the point, which can occur when you are doing a country dance. The issue is what kind of status does one properly attribute to a woman who needed a Savior (by her own admission), was simply a woman given favor, and is not ever "venerated" in the Scriptures?
Mindreading 99% of folks IS ok on FR.
This 1 percenter thinks that Mary has had her day, she did what she was told was going to happen.
Any extra stuff that Rome says about her is NOT based on RECORDED truth.
Catholic church admits immaculate conception cannot be found in Scripture.
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No direct or categorical and stringent proof of the dogma can be brought forward from Scripture.
That in and of itself tells us all we need to know about this false doctrine that that catholic church continues to promulgate. The catholic church admits this false teaching cannot be found in Scripture. Nor can it be supported from Scripture. But that doesn't stop them from plowing ahead. The deception goes even deeper.
But the first scriptural passage which contains the promise of the redemption, mentions also the Mother of the Redeemer.
[The sentence against the first parents was accompanied by the Earliest Gospel ( Proto-evangelium ), which put enmity between the serpent and the woman : "and I will put enmity between thee and the woman and her seed; she (he) shall crush thy head and thou shalt lie in wait for her (his) heel" ( Genesis 3:15 ). The translation "she" of the Vulgate is interpretative; it originated after the fourth century, and cannot be defended critically.
Can the catholic appeal to "tradition"?
From this summary it appears that the belief in Mary's immunity from sin in her conception was prevalent amongst the Fathers, especially those of the Greek Church. The rhetorical character, however, of many of these and similar passages prevents us from laying too much stress on them, and interpreting them in a strictly literal sense. The Greek Fathers never formally or explicitly discussed the question of the Immaculate Conception.
The catholic church admits no scriptural support for this false teaching nor can they appeal to "tradition"
What is left for the catholic to appeal to? Very little of substance.
Proof from reason is all that's left. I will add, man's reason.
So it comes down to feelings and wouldn't it be a nice kind of thing for God to do for Mary. While a nice sentiment it doesn't meet the Biblical test for proof as attested to by the catholic church.
We can wish and say we hope there isn't a Hell....but we know there is as the Bible teaches this. We can wish and hope that none would ever wind up in Hell, but we know those who do not have faith in Christ will based on the Bible.
Too many false doctrines have been built upon man's reasoning and that's all that's left to the catholic regarding the immaculate conception.
This shows us what the false teaching of the immaculate conception is predicated upon.
It is not based on Scripture.
It is not to be based upon "tradition".
It is based on a poor translation that cannot, by the catholic church's own admission, be defended.
It comes down to man's reason which we know if subject to error.
I pray our catholic friends to examine this teaching critically and come out of the false teaching of the catholic church.