[ebb tide]

We have our share of them (fundamentalists).

[ebb tide]

Ping

[Dr. Thorne]

Better call the “Uh-Oh Squad”.

[aquila48]

He reminds me of someone else with that trait... it’s right at the tip of my tongue. I’m sure it’ll come to me.

[Oratam]

The Pope seems to have the likes and dislikes of a fairly typical modern Jesuit

Finally, I get it!

[redleghunter]

Which fundamentalists? Protestant/Evangelical or Roman Catholic?

[redleghunter]

Just for clarity Evangelical “fundamentalism” was a reaction to the 19th century theological liberalism. Thus conservative Christians proclaimed the fundamentals:

FIVE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE FAITH
There are five fundamentals of the faith which are essential for Christianity, and upon which we agree:

1. The Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ (John 1:1; John 20:28; Hebrews 1:8-9).

2. The Virgin Birth (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23; Luke 1:27).

3. The Blood Atonement (Acts 20:28; Romans 3:25, 5:9; Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 9:12-14).

4. The Bodily Resurrection (Luke 24:36-46; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, 15:14-15).

5. The inerrancy of the scriptures themselves (Psalms 12:6-7; Romans 15:4; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20).

So if Pope Francis is opposed to the above, then he is opposed to basic Biblical Christianity.

[melsec]

I think that the Pope finds that he does not entirely get along with what some people would call fundamentalists but I might call hard nosed legalists. Jesus gave the Pharisees heaps about sticking to the letter of the law and not being merciful. It has almost become part of an excepted Christo/mythology that Jesus was therefore not a stickler for the law and “gave people a break” so to speak. This is not case. Because conservatives by nature point to the Law they are seen by many as aligning with the Pharisee.

The Law by it’s very perfection and our inability to keep all of it is meant to point us towards the mercy of Christ and so without it we are left wandering. The Cross is the place at which the Law and Mercy intersect with our lives. Without both the cross looks just like a stick

Those who put the Law above mercy and who seem to not have an ounce of forgiveness in them have got it wrong. So have those who ignore the Law altogether or who create their own version of the it.

I always find it funny how many within both general society and also within the Church forget Jesus also condemned the Sadducee who were more like the left of the Church all wrapped up in political maneuvering, intrigue and trying to negotiate with the world and it’s system.

It seems if there is a lesson it would be everyone needs to be careful and humble lest we fall one way or the other!

[ifinnegan]

Ill Papa?

If Benedict says he wants to come back, does this guy have to step down?

[mountainbunny]

I will repeat what I have stated before. Too many people found those who disagreed with previous Popes to be lacking in faith and understanding. They were judged to be lacking and were piously told to get with the program.

Now those same judges find themselves disagreeing with this Pope. But now, of course, it is the Pope who lacks proper faith and understanding.

Those who judged everyday Catholics before, judge the Pope now. They are, then, unwilling to be judged by the same measure as they previously judged others.

A grave error.

If you feel that this Pope has nothing to teach you and that he is all wrong and you are all right, there is nothing any of the rest of us can do but pray for your soul.

[piusv]

Ah yes, that little group of fundamentalist Catholics who actually stick to the Catholic Faith of yore come hell or high water:

"Thus, the more violently they try to occupy the places of worship, the more they separate themselves from the Church. They claim that they represent the Church; but in reality, they are the ones who are expelling themselves from it and going astray. Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ."

-St. Athanasius

[piusv]

The problem of course with having a papacy that operates on such a basis is that those clearly in the them camp do not like being targeted by the man at the top and will react to what they regard as unfair aspersions being cast on them. This is especially problematic at this stage in the history of the papacy in that Pope Francis is ticking off those Catholics who have hitherto overall been quite loyal to the papacy, while those who love what the Pope is saying against their adversaries are often Catholics who are lukewarm, to put it charitably, about the practice of the Faith.

When the shepherd is struck, the sheep are scattered.

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

“You just can’t say that, just as you can’t say that all Christians are fundamentalists. We have our share of them (fundamentalists). All religions have these little groups”

So much falsehood in such a short statement. ''All religions share these little groups"...Apparently in Francis's mind it's the religions, all the religions together, against the so-called fundamentalists from each group. Again he displays the fundamentally anti-Catholic, modernist relativism that lives rent-free under his zucchetto.

And more specifically, he is comparing whatever Christian fundamentalists he has in mind (like the author I assume he means Traditional Catholics, but who really knows what Francis is babbling about), to Islamic fundies. How many Traditional Catholics are there? No matter how you choose to measure it, there aren't many, and I've never heard of them committing some act of violence. Islamic fundamentalists, on the other hand, number in the tens of millions and engage in acts of terror, murder, slaugher, mayhem, slave trade, and destruction on a daily basis, all around the world.

But we're all the same apparently. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and an SSPX priest, what's the difference?