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To: txnativegop

The Roman church took almost 500 years to largely settle its dispute with the Lutherans

Which Lutherans... the Evangelical Lutherans who hold to Scriptural truths values or the Progressive Lutherans who have turned away from traditional church teachings?


7 posted on 11/29/2014 4:54:18 PM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: stars & stripes forever

my apologies, I had not realized that the Lutherans had suffered such a split.
I was speaking of the Lutheran Church in general, not
specific sub-groups within the Lutheran Church.


10 posted on 11/29/2014 5:05:38 PM PST by txnativegop (I'm out of ideas about tag lines.)
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To: stars & stripes forever; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; ...

After he was prayed over by evangelical pastors at a Catholic-Pentecostal rally in 2006, Cardinal Bergoglio met with them every month in their churches, arriving alone by bus and subway...

Now Francis is preparing the ground for a historic breakthrough between Catholics and evangelicals. This is his own initiative. The Vatican body in charge of dialogue, the Council for Christian Unity, only has relations with the historic Protestant churches — Lutherans, Anglicans, and Methodists. But most Protestant Christians no longer belong to these: Some 600 million of them, about three-quarters of Protestants worldwide, are in loose, autonomous networks of Pentecostal or “independent” churches, who worship in the charismatic style. Their rise has made the old controversies between the historic churches seem obsolete. On many moral questions they are closer to Catholics than to the mainline Protestant churches. Yet Rome has had no means of speaking to them.

Francis is changing that. In a series of private meetings brokered by old friends from his pre-papal days, he has this year spent hours in meetings with major evangelical leaders in the United States, including televangelists such as Joel Osteen, James Robison, and Kenneth Copeland, as well as the head of the World Evangelical Alliance, Geoff Tunnicliffe, and the pioneers of the “Toronto blessing,” John and Carol Arnott. In July he made the first ever private visit by a pope to a Pentecostal pastor, his old friend Giovanni Traettino, in Caserta, Italy, to apologize for the times when the Catholic Church had made life difficult for evangelicals in Italy. These are his own initiatives. The Vatican’s Council for Christian Unity is kept informed of these meetings but has no part in them.

They are convivial gatherings, in which there is joint prayer, shared meals, and plenty of laughter. Francis tells them that their shared baptism, and openness to the Holy Spirit, are enough; that a new era is opening up of relations between Catholics and evangelicals; and that they shouldn’t wait for theologians to agree before acting and witnessing together. “I’m not interested in converting evangelicals to Catholicism,” one of them later reported the Pope telling him. “I want people to find Jesus in their own community. There are so many doctrines we will never agree on. Let’s be about showing the love of Jesus.”

Francis sees his task as pope to open up these new spaces, responding to opportunities as they arise.In January, a South African evangelical bishop called Tony Palmer recorded an iPhone message from Francis to megachurch leaders in Texas, in which Francis humbly spoke of the miracle of unity that had begun.The video went viral, and Palmer was deluged with requests from evangelical leaders wanting to respond. In June, a month before he was tragically killed in a road accident, Palmer took a number of the leaders — together, they represented possibly 800 million Christians — to meet Francis, where they proposed signing, on the 500th anniversary of Martin Luther’s 95 Theses, in 2017, a “joint declaration of faith in unity for mission.” The declaration will open a new era for Christians, encouraging them to act and pray together across the world, in spite of their differences. -

http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/11/21/can-pope-francis-heal-deep-divisions-christianity/EvN3T5m2CzroFtGmVJBRFL/story.html

For the evangelical such as being invited to a christening, in the light of the deformation y of Rome, including holding even prosodomite proabortion proMusliom pols as members in life and in death:

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. (2 Corinthians 6:14-18)


31 posted on 11/29/2014 6:18:13 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: stars & stripes forever

...”Which Lutherans... the Evangelical Lutherans or the Progressive Lutherans?”.....

Won’t make any difference to the Catholic Leadership for the agenda and priority is for the Pope to lead in uniting “ALL” Christians to a Global Church ,regardless of church affiliation, with the catholic church primarily the lead. Though all others will have representation once they are set.

The catholic church will have a major place as the Globalists community wants the use of their revenues....and their influence with the membership worldwide to accept Global Governance over all.


61 posted on 11/30/2014 11:17:42 PM PST by caww
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