Posted on 11/27/2014 3:21:43 PM PST by Gamecock
Not these two again. . .the Downeys. . . Son of God was over the top leaving the Plan of Salvation void from the movie. I contacted all the religious TV programs that I knew were promoting not only the movie but the Downey’s about my concern (both before and after my viewing the movie). The e-mail responses that were the most disappointing were from the mother of the Daystar couple of all people (the whole family must be on the payroll). After providing her with documentation of the Downey’s beliefs and own statements she proceeded to “scold me” by stating how great Daystar was and that her daughter and son-in-law wouldn’t put something on the air compromising the Bible (paraphrasing). I subsequently provided additional information and she then blocked my e-mails. . . . I am a donor. . .how is that for customer service????? Sometimes pride gets in the way of truth. I did see the movie and was glad I did to tell others about the omissions. What was really appalling prior to the afternoon showing were the seemingly inappropriate coming attractions at which time many children were present in the audience (must have been Christian Schools in the area). The comments from the older members of the audience leaving the theatre were not in the positive column. I will not be attending AD or buying the movie for my church.
The question from my kids (age 8 and 10) was essentially whether the terms disciple (the specific 12 mentioned in Matthew) and apostle are interchangeable.
Thanks for the feedback. It does seem that the term apostle isn’t quite as narrow as I thought. Commissioned to spread the good news may be the task of one, while writing a NT book may be the calling of another. Both apostles the same.
God bless.
Who, pray tell, would YOU like to have consulted on the mini-series.
For me, I am grateful that a major broadcast network has taken this on.
Did you see how the salvation message was blatantly omitted in Son of God. . .this time I personally am not going to pay to see how they twist it in this movie. We are living in end times and this is not the time for block buster movies that are handing out half truths.
It's a mini-series... on NBC - broadcast TV. That means free. Perhaps you missed the 'salvation message', too? :)
Oops my bad. . . .I don’t get NBC so I guess I won’t have to worry about watching it! Thanks.
No. My hated for pseudo-Christianity does not take a holiday. Get it right shall we?
Who, pray tell, would YOU like to have consulted on the mini-series.
Billy Graham
RC Sproul
Michael Horton
Ken Jones
William Willimon
Sinclair Ferguson
Michael Youssef
Tullian Tchividjian
Charles Stanley
John MacArthur
Greg Laurie
Tim Keller
Chuck Swindoll
I've given you Godly men from a variety of perspectives. Want more?
For me, I am grateful that a major broadcast network has taken this on.
Given the track record of how Christianity is portrayed in the popular culture, and that one consultant is a modalist and the other denied the exclusivity of Jesus on CNN, I would be charitable in saying the jury is out.
No you don't...Paul was sent to the Romans by God...Peter was sent to Jews...What a fairy tale you've going there...
I would be charitable in saying the jury is out.
Contempt prior to investigation. Typical.
And you have no idea either, now do you? All I, you or anyone else can respond to is what was published.
And, it's amusing you didn't go after Cardinal Wurel - a Catholic!
I have no idea who Cardinal Wurel is or what he is about. Funny that when I withhold comment you disapprove, but when I point out the heretics involved in this project you aren't happy either.
Contempt prior to investigation.
No. Contempt based on prior performance.
Once again, you do know Osteen denied the exclusivity of Jesus on national TV, right? Did you also know he thinks Obama is a Christian and is doing a good job?
And you know Jakes is a modalist, right? Just in case you don't know what that is, read about it here.
I would add Franklin Graham to your list.
As would I.
The list is not exclusive but shows there are tons of qualified “experts” who represent Christianity better than the two heretics Osteen and Jakes.
Their “salvation message” is false.
I would also include David Jeremiah as a consultant!
Yup.
I recall watching a mini series with the same title and subject years ago. I looked it up....from 1985
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088471/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
Some additional study is helpful to discern Discipleship from Apostleship.
The Greek word APOSTOLOS without the definite article, such as in Col 1:1, refers to the high quality of the noun.
This places Paul as having being the believer who had been given the highest rank during the Church Age. While 1Cor 15:7-10, Paul declares himself to be the least of the Apostles, he also acknowledges God had performed the most work in him. The 12 Apostles of Jesus Christ as recorded in Matt 10:2-4 are the 12 Apostles to Israel. Paul would later replace Judas by the choice of Jesus Christ (1Cor 15:7-10), while prior to that selection, the other 11 had chosen Matthias by lots, attempting to choose a replacement for Judas by themselves, instead of the Provision of God.
The Attic Greek word APOSTOLOS is known to have been around for about 500 years prior to the New Testament as a title for either a high ranking General or Admiral Officer chosen by a counsel to command and Army or Athenian Fleet on a military expedition.
A third meaning is used for the leader chosen to form a Greek Colony outside of Athens. The Governor was called an APOSTOLOS.
During the Church Age, God the Holy Spirit gives each believer a unique spiritual gift (not physical, not soulish, but spiritual) according to the Plan of God the Father.
The spiritual gift of Apostleship is one of many types of spiritual gifts. It is a spiritual gift used to establish command authority. It was a temporary spiritual gift in the early Church Age, because the Canon of Scripture providing His Word to the Church had not yet been established. We do not have a record of it existing after the Canon of Scripture was established, so it is frequently identified as a temporary spiritual gift to the Church.
Paul was the Apostle of Jesus Christ (Col 1:1, Gal 1:1, Eph 1:1, 1Ti 1:1)(note: it was a spiritual gift uniquely given by God, not by man,...it was given by the Divinity of God the Son, Jesus Christ, not by His humanity..Gal 1:1)
Paul was an APOSTLE of Christ to the Gentiles
1Cor 12:28
(28) And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
(Eph 4:11) Eph 4:11
(11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Disciple (Gk: MATHETES: Student of, learner of, Pupil) is applicable to the soul or the mental faculties, the mind,..how we think in education. It may also involve academics, or knowledge of facts, vocabulary, history)
The 12 Disciples became 12 Apostles in Matt 10:2-4 when they were given spiritual authority to perform healing sickness and diseases, casting out of demons, etc, but are not to be confused with the Apostles of the Church which were appointed AFTER the Resurrection.
BTW, you are correct in that all the Church Age Apostles had seen Jesus Christ, including Paul, who had seen Him 4 times after the Resurrection.
Hmmm. You actually appear to have given us a list of "Christian" consultants that is 100% protestant, 100% american, 100% male, and overwhelmingly have a reformer, evangelical, and Calvinist theology. Your list in no way represents the views of "Christianity" as a whole. It would be like having a mini-series about "American" culture as a whole and interviewing only liberal Democrats from Massachuttes, Connecticut, Vermont, and New York to decide what content to include.
>> Want more? <<
Absolutely I'd want more. As another freeper noted, there are over 1.1 billion Catholics in the world, and over 300 million Orthodox Christians. Why not include "godly men" like Cardinal Charles J. Chaput, Metropolian Kallistos Ware, etc., who hold to traditional Christian beliefs but are very different from the ideology of your heavily Calvinist list. Your selection might be good for consulting a "Why Calvin Was Right" puff piece documentary, but not on adapting bible stories faithfully.
***100% protestant, 100% american, 100% male, and overwhelmingly have a reformer, evangelical, and Calvinist theology. ***
I am Protestant, so sue me. Note if you will I didn’t discount the Papist in the article.
100% male? So?
100% American? Not quite.
Evangelical, Reformer.. It is my list. Feel free to make your own. Or are you happy with Osteen and Jakes being 50% of the experts?
God bless you and yours.
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