Posted on 11/18/2014 7:50:17 AM PST by Salvation
The instance of thinking unjustly of another.
You’re going to have to put some of your own thoughts into this conversation, ELIZA. Otherwise, it’s not a conversation.
So, ELIZA, what do YOU think the relationship between “the objective truth” and “thinking justly or unjustly of another” might be?
I don’t, because I do not know what “the objective truth” is...that’s why I asked.
Which part don’t you understand? “Objective” or “Truth”?
the term...’objective truth’...as you are using it
Do you understand that "A" and "Not-A" cannot both be true? Do you even understand what that question means?
BTW, if you wish for this conversation to continue, you need to convince me ... quickly ... that you're discussing matters in good faith. As opposed to arguing for the sake of being argumentative, or trying to play "gotcha" games. I have no patience for either.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Can’t you just go back to #48 and answer the simple question? It’s on the last line I believe.
I’m beginning to think that you don’t really know what you mean by the use of your term...’objective truth’
Do you even remember what sin we’re talking about?
What do you mean by ‘discussing matters in good faith’...please be detailed?
Pride - The sinful drive that distorts proper self love so that we esteem ourself more than is proper and at the same time denigrate the goodness of others. There is such a thing as well ordered self love and self esteem but Pride is love of self which is perverted causes us unjustly to think of others as beneath us or less worthy. Pride also stirs us to reject lawful authority of others over us including God and refuses appropriate submission. Pride is at the root of every sin for through it we pridefully think we have a way better than what God has set forth or that we alone can be the judge of right and wrong. Adam and Eve wanted to “be like Gods” and wanted themselves to determine what was right and wrong. Hence they demanded to eat of the tree of the “Knowledge of good and evil.” This is Pride.
Do you have any comprehension of this paragraph? Does it spark any thoughts at all in your mind?
Some other questions for you:
1) Do you acknowledge the existence of any deity whatsoever, whether singular or one of many?
2) Do you acknowledge the existence of a singular deity that created all things which we perceive with our senses?
3) Do you acknowledge that you, yourself were created out of nothing by a singular deity, and held in existence by said deity?
4) Do you acknowledge that a singular deity caused its messages to humans to be recorded in writing? That said writings are found in what is commonly known as "The Bible"?
5) Do you acknowledge that a singular deity took on human flesh, lived and died as a human, and rose from the dead?
Yes, which led to my response already...in #48 last line
I am an agnostic that believes there probably is a deity, but have no way of, or desire to, prove it. I don’t know if there is only one, probably is.
OK. Thank you.
Now:
Do you understand that "A" and "Not-A" cannot both be true? Do you even understand what that question means?
Is God both the alpha and the omega?
How about we address non-contradiction, first.
Is that statement not a contradiction?
For men, A cannot be not A...for God, I don’t know.
Does that also mean the beginning cannot be the end?
Now ... since you acknowledge non-contradiction, you must also acknowledge the singularity of truth. With the singularity of truth in mind, let's revisit that paragraph about sinful pride:
Pride - The sinful drive that distorts proper self love so that we esteem ourself more than is proper and at the same time denigrate the goodness of others. There is such a thing as well ordered self love and self esteem but Pride is love of self which is perverted causes us unjustly to think of others as beneath us or less worthy. Pride also stirs us to reject lawful authority of others over us including God and refuses appropriate submission. Pride is at the root of every sin for through it we pridefully think we have a way better than what God has set forth or that we alone can be the judge of right and wrong. Adam and Eve wanted to “be like Gods” and wanted themselves to determine what was right and wrong. Hence they demanded to eat of the tree of the “Knowledge of good and evil.” This is Pride.
we esteem ourself more than is proper ... Do you see any correlation between the singular truth about oneself, and the degree to which one esteems oneself?
at the same time denigrate the goodness of others Do you see any correlation between the singular truth about another, and the degree to which one passes judgment on that other's goodness?
Do you understand that actually knowing the entire truth about oneself, or about others, borders on impossible? Do you think, perhaps, that judgments passed on oneself or others, based on an incomplete knowledge of the truth might perhaps best be tempered in accordance with that lack of knowledge?
Looks like he got nuked.
Right in front of my face!
Seems that he was known.
For a while, I was starting to be convinced that it was an ELIZA program ...
Yeah, those have gotten more sophisticated lately.
There is even one for cellphone text spamming.
You betcha.
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