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To: Faith Presses On; Salvation
I believe from some things the Bible says that it’s possible for there to be some form of punishment for believers after death, what the Catholic Church teaches about it is too definite for the little that we know.

There is answering for what you've done on earth, but that is NOT the same as losing your salvation.

Scripture makes it clear that born again believers stand before the judgment seat of Christ, but since they're there, it's not a matter of salvation. That's already settled by the fact that they are facing Christ.

It's to test their WORKS to see if they merit reward, not eternal life as it is already theirs, but reward for their faithfulness.

There is no paying off sin. It's paid in FULL. It's only rewards given, the icing on the cake.

36 posted on 11/16/2014 7:02:16 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom; Faith Presses On; Salvation

>> “It’s to test their WORKS to see if they merit reward, not eternal life as it is already theirs, but reward for their faithfulness.” <<

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Yes!

But all will face Yeshua, the elect at the first resurrection, and the rest at the resurrection unto death, 1000 years later. All judgment is given to him.
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38 posted on 11/16/2014 7:11:10 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: metmom

I don’t have much more time to reply tonight, but I’ll just mention a couple of thoughts. We know that good works won’t get you into Heaven. Only Jesus’ shed blood can do that. And we know that even if someone is a Christian, and they’ve been forgiven by God and so are saved, if they do wrong here they may have to suffer the consequences here. And we know that despite God’S forgiveness which they have, there are reasons for that. And my thought is that, as we know so little about really anything, and there are passages such as the one saying the believer who doesn’t earn a reward is saved, but as through fire and will suffer loss (which may, of course, not speak of the afterlife, I know), I am not sure that there will be no suffering by any believers on account of sin done here. I do believe Jesus paid for sin in full, but I’m not sure if that may only be for the sake of salvation. I just believe there are some things not completely given to us here, including these answers, but on the other hand I don’t believe in the Catholic notions about purgatory. They are about paying off one’s sins (rather than being chastised, much like some criminals believe “doing their time” pays off the crime they committed) and judges sin by human means when we don’t know how God will judge it.


40 posted on 11/16/2014 7:44:23 PM PST by Faith Presses On
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To: metmom
Scripture makes it clear that born again believers stand before the judgment seat of Christ, but since they're there, it's not a matter of salvation. That's already settled by the fact that they are facing Christ.

Nope; for ALL will face Christ.

It's 'settled' because our names will be found in the Book of LIFE.


Exodus 32:32-33
 But now, if you will forgive their sin—but if not, please blot me out of your book that you have written.”  But the Lord said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me, I will blot out of my book.
 

Daniel 12:1
 “At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book.
 
 
 
Philippians 4:3
 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.
 

Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
 

Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
 
 
 
Revelation 17:8
 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
 
 
 
Revelation 20:11-15
"Then I saw a great White Throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and THE BOOKS WERE OPENED. Another book was opened WHICH IS THE BOOK OF LIFE. The dead were judged according to their works as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to their works.  Then death and Hades were thrown into the Lake of Fire. The Lake of Fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written IN THE BOOK OF LIFE, he was thrown into the lake of fire."
 
Revelation 21:27
Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

91 posted on 11/18/2014 3:39:01 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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