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To: metmom

There was nothing spiritual in that pile of mud.

Your rejection of the plain and simple truths of the scripture cannot be blamed on the Holy
Spirit.


177 posted on 11/19/2014 8:34:19 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor; metmom
There was nothing spiritual in that pile of mud. Your rejection of the plain and simple truths of the scripture cannot be blamed on the Holy Spirit.

There was everything Spiritual in metmom's response to you. Maybe it's your comments that aren't any clearer than mud. You continue to contradict yourself as well as clear Scripture. One post you admit that we are saved by grace and the next you assert we aren't saved unless we obey the "Torah" and "endure to the end" doing so. Make up your mind! You've been asked to clarify what you are referring to as "Torah" as well as these "commandments" Jesus gave us that are not "grievous". You have brushed it off by insisting you already HAVE, but never point to WHERE you have done so.

Nobody here is preaching that we should ignore doing what is right or think being in obedience to God is something we can brush off as if Christians can take it or leave it or it isn't important to living the Christian life, honoring God. What we ARE saying - and Scripture overwhelmingly supports - is that it is NOT by our works of Law OR our works of righteousness OR our works of charity or ANYTHING we must add to the finished work of Jesus Christ other than to receive the gift of God which is eternal life by His grace THROUGH faith. We are saved because of Christ, and not we ourselves - no matter how good we are or how faithfully we follow Torah. Continue to trust in your own goodness, merit and works and depend on your deserving of heaven if you wish. Just don't expect that believers are going to fall for your bullying and pronouncements of condemnation on others just because we don't see things your - or Rood's - way.

179 posted on 11/19/2014 9:39:13 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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