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To: annalex; sr4402
>> “The Church teaches that upon death men either go to hell or they are saved and go to heaven because the sanctifying grace is in them.” <<

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But that does not align with what the Bible teaches.

John 3

[13] And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
And as for being in Hell
Revelation 20:

[4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
[5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.


So who can be in Heaven?

Or Hell?

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17 posted on 11/16/2014 4:40:20 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

“The Church teaches that upon death men either go to hell or they are saved and go to heaven because the sanctifying grace is in them.”

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Well, that is what we Catholics believe. You are free to believe it or not.


20 posted on 11/16/2014 4:58:36 PM PST by Bigg Red (Congress, do your duty and repo his pen and his phone.)
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To: editor-surveyor

So who can be in Heaven?

Or Hell?


Sheep can be in Heaven, Goats in Hell

“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne, and all the nations will be assembled before him.

And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me, naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.’

Then the righteous will answer him and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?’

And the king will say to them in reply, ‘Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.’

Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.

Then they will answer and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?’

He will answer them, ‘Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.’

And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Matthew 25:31-46


22 posted on 11/16/2014 5:10:09 PM PST by rwa265 (Love one another as I have loved you, says the Lord.)
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To: editor-surveyor; sr4402
This verses square perfectly with the Catholic teaching, that some people end up in heaven with Christ and His saints, and others don't.

I will not drink from henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I shall drink it with you new in the kingdom of my Father (Matthew 26:29)

Amen I say to thee, this day thou shalt be with me in paradise (Luke 23:43)

they that will become rich, fall into temptation, and into the snare of the devil, and into many unprofitable and hurtful desires, which drown men into destruction and perdition. (1 Timothy 6:9)


42 posted on 11/16/2014 8:58:39 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: editor-surveyor
So who can be in Heaven?

You already answered that question in your quote from Revelation 20:4, "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Obviously, some people are in heaven!

44 posted on 11/16/2014 10:44:34 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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