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To: editor-surveyor

>>> “OSAS” is nowhere to be found in scripture.

Neither is the word “Trinity”, but we understand the truth of it.

Actually, there are many truths that are not specifically spelled out for us in easy-to-read one-liners. Some truths are left for us to seek and find in scripture with the council of the Holy Spirit.

I’m having a really hard time with your argument, which is why I took so long to respond...

You say that NOBODY is yet saved, but then claim Jesus was describing how the re-born are enabled to travel invisibly through our PRESENT dwelling place like the wind. This is a self contradicting statement. We become saved during our life on earth, or we do not. If NOBODY is yet saved, then salvation must come after death.

Jesus said in the passage you referenced that we must be born again to be saved. That is what is clear and relevant... so the question becomes “When are we born-again?” When you say that NOBODY is yet saved because salvation lies in spiritual rebirth, I can only surmise that what you are saying is that we are not reborn until after we die, OR that we cannot know that we are saved until after we die.

>>> We must “endure to the end,” as Yeshua plainly stated in Matthew 24, and as repeated by all of the apostles numerous times in the various epistles.

Chuck Missler made the observation that there is more in the bible about end times than any other subject in the bible, including the subject of Jesus’ ministry on earth.

Such is the case with Matthew 24 in which Jesus is responding to a question about the end of days. We are currently living in the age of Grace. While the Holy Spirit resides here on earth, salvation is promised to those who repent and believe in Jesus. Once the Holy Spirit lifts His hand from the earth, the age of grace ends, and what begins is testing and judgment of the nations. Salvation at that point takes on an additional requirement, namely that believers NOT take the mark of the beast. “Enduring to the end” is a tribulation era reference only. By applying this phrase to the church age, you must also define specifically WHAT is to be endured... because Jesus specifically lays out in Matt 24 what is to be endured DURING THE TRIBULATION in order to be saved.


131 posted on 11/18/2014 12:17:14 PM PST by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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To: Safrguns

>> “ If NOBODY is yet saved, then salvation must come after death.” <<

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You’re just figuring that out?

For all but the final generation, that is the undeniable fact that Yeshua and his apostles were trying to get across.

Nobody will experience the stated fact of John 3:8 and continue living in this life. It happens at the last trump, the end of the trib, when Yeshua and his angels appear in the cloud to gather his elect, and all that remain stand watching in dread of what they suddenly realize is to come.


135 posted on 11/18/2014 1:15:00 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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