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To: editor-surveyor
Nobody is yet “saved” because that salvation lies in the spiritual rebirth Yeshua described to Nicodemus in John Ch 3, which rebirth enables the re-born to travel invisibly through our present dwelling place like the wind, as described clearly in verse 8:

Another part you missed...Before Jesus 'went up', his body was glorified just as our will be...

1Co_15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

1Co_15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1Co_15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

While our terrestrial bodies contain the Spirit of God, we're still glued to the earth...When we die, or at the Rapture, our terrestrial bodies will change into celestial bodies as Jesus' body did just before he was risen...

Had Jesus not had his physical body changed, when he went to travel thru that wall, his body would have flattened out against the wall and slid down the wall just as cartoons depict...

130 posted on 11/18/2014 11:57:16 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool; Safrguns
I didn't miss anything.

What you missed that the necessary change happens specifically at the last trump, and no other time.

If we turn away we lose, for eternity. That is what Hebrews 6 and 10 say in plain words. There is no ace in the hole for salvation, but to endure to the end.

Hebrews 6:

[4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[5] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[6] If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
The words are there in several epistles, by different authors, and there is no room for OSAS in any of them.

Salvation is at the last trump; that is why Yehova made his most distinctive appointed day, Yom Teruah, to watch for it.

That is why Yeshua said in Revelation 3:

[3] Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

And Paul assured the Thessalonians that Yeshua would not come to them as a thief, because they diligently kept his feasts.

Its all there in the book for those who care enough to want to know. If you prefer to 'know' something that really is not there, you're on your own, for eternity

134 posted on 11/18/2014 12:57:33 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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