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To: Safrguns

“I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you should pray about that. All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.”

Some sins lead to spiritual death, or eternal separation from God. Catholics call these sins, mortal. Other sins don’t lead to spiritual death. Catholics call these sins, venial


108 posted on 11/18/2014 6:42:11 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

>>> All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.”

This would suggest that God’s standard is something less than perfection.

What was Adam’s sin? How does his disobedience in consuming a fruit qualify it as a sin which leads to death?


110 posted on 11/18/2014 6:56:42 AM PST by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; Safrguns
>>Some sins lead to spiritual death, or eternal separation from God. Catholics call these sins, mortal.<<

1 John 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

"There is a sin, NOT "some sins" or "mutliple sins". Catholicism has to twist scripture to maintin it's beliefs.

115 posted on 11/18/2014 7:26:32 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; Safrguns; CynicalBear
“I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you should pray about that. All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.”

Some sins lead to spiritual death, or eternal separation from God. Catholics call these sins, mortal. Other sins don’t lead to spiritual death. Catholics call these sins, venial

When you yank verses out of their context, all manner of error can slip in. What was John talking about here regarding a "sin unto death"? Here's the passage:

    I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life. This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. And if we know that he hears us—whatever we ask—we know that we have what we asked of him.

    If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you should pray about that. All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.

    We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them. We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. Dear children, keep yourselves from idols. (I John 5:13-20)

John's talking about praying for someone who is in habitual sin, that they will repent and be freed from that sinful lifestyle. For some Christians, their backsliding might bring God to take them from this life so that they do not cause shame on the name of Christ. The "sin unto death" would be the kind of sin that a person refuses to turn from and our praying for them will not always bring about their reconciliation with God. But, NOWHERE in this passage does the subject of condemnation to HELL come up. Some people read into that passage that a saved person can become unsaved by a sinful act but that isn't what it says. In fact, it says the opposite. God disciplines us as His children and sometimes that discipline might mean He takes us home if we remain in unrepented sin. We don't stop being His children when we have been born again. he doesn't remove the Holy Spirit from those He has sealed until the day of redemption.

We are saved by grace through faith and not by our works. To say someone can LOSE something they didn't do anything to get is negating that it was a gift of grace. God's grace is so infinite and complete that we cannot snatch ourselves out of His hands - NO ONE can.

136 posted on 11/18/2014 1:28:24 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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