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To: Gamecock
While I am not a particular fan of Joel O, I refuse to slander him or put words in his mouth. While I am totally against the "prosperity gospel" as well, it is apparent that those who relinquish their guilt, realize their eternal destiny through faith in Christ, and embrace the abandonment of self will be healthier, happier and more prosperous than one who does not; if for no other reason than the loss of psychosomatic problems.

Doctrinally, though, I am surprised at the lack of Biblical knowledge this assertion reveals:

First, presumptuous. The line “you have power in you greater than any power that can come against you” obviously refers to more than simple talent and potential and probably to more than being created in the image and likeness of God. The most likely intended meaning is the gift of the Holy Spirit that Christians call grace.

Catholics err for they do not know the scriptures, or the power of God (Matt 22:29). Whilst they obsess over various sacraments of Grace, Mary, their human papa (latin:pope) in Rome (see Matt 23:9), and their church, they miss out on Jesus Christ! We sons of God have much more than grace in us!

Perhaps Joel O was talking to Christians and was referring to 1 John 4:4 "Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. ?

And who is in us? Colossians 1:27 declares "To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory."1 Corinthians 6:19 further explains "Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

Or, perhaps Joel is intentionally or accidentally in error, through deception or semantics, when he claims “you have power in you greater than any power that can come against you”, for this is not inanimate power, rather, it is the Spirit of Christ, who is the way, the truth and the life! Amen!

19 posted on 11/05/2014 6:24:36 PM PST by jimmyray
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To: jimmyray; Gamecock; ealgeone
Catholics err for they do not know the scriptures,

They much do but the OP is not a Catholic (see his home page).

27 posted on 11/05/2014 6:46:11 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: jimmyray

“you have power in you greater than any power that can come against you”

1 John4:1-3 came to mind when I read that statement and it chills me. You quoted verse 4 but compare his statements against verses 1-3.

I hear very little Christ Jesus in Osteen’s preachings. He doesn’t acknowledge “Christ in us”, instead he refers to Him as “a power in us” that unlocks access to material things. It pings the spiritual ‘antichrist’ ping o meter far off the scale. Daniel comes to mind...the depiction of the one who “worships the god of ‘forces’”.

I’d urge all to stay away from Osteen like a road kill skunk!


60 posted on 11/06/2014 5:11:55 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: jimmyray
Or, perhaps Joel is intentionally or accidentally in error, through deception or semantics, when he claims “you have power in you greater than any power that can come against you”, for this is not inanimate power, rather, it is the Spirit of Christ, who is the way, the truth and the life! Amen!

Problem is that Osteen doesn't specify and so although Christians know and understand what he is talking about, non-Christians don't and are led astray.

While he's not outright lying, he's not telling the full truth and that IS deception, therefore from the enemy.

63 posted on 11/06/2014 5:34:57 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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