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I really wish FR weren’t used as a major conduit to demonize The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

he vitriol is beneath what FR is about. It’s never an adult conversation or honest inquiry.

That said, parse this.

KJV

1 Corinthians 15:29

Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

It’s never an adult conversation or honest inquiry.

I beg your pardon. I almost always engage in dialogue. An exchange of ideas. And I usually cite Mormon leaders themselves...something rarely done on FR when discussing religious opinions and convictions.

IoW...I painstakingly allow Mormon leaders to speak for themselves...rather than simply citing only what others have said about them.

Your use of the word "never" is not only vacant hyperbole, but it suggests you've omnisciently examined EVERY single thread & comment on FR of which you reference.

(May I suggest you bow out of your bid for such claimed omniscience?)

...demonize The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints...vitriol

To accuse a fellow FREEPER of being vitriolic...(acidic...caustic) seems to betray what you might otherwise advocate. IoW, your appeal to religious tolerance is hard to fathom if you don't tolerate what others post on FR.

Why is it religious tolerance for others, but you seemingly have difficulty practicing it yourself?

parse this. KJV 1 Corinthians 15:29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

Simple. Here, let me cite the same verse with proper emphasis on a single word:

"what shall THEY do which are baptized for the dead...?"

[the apostle Paul doesn't say "we" are baptized for the dead...rather, he points to an unknown "they" sect practicing it...]

I really wish FR weren’t used as a major conduit to demonize The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

I know EXACTLY what you mean!

It is SO unbecoming!!

I'm glad it's merely an individual doing this; and NOT an Organized Religion!!!

Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

That said, parse this.

Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

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Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

'they' are pagan; non-Christians.

Have YOU any facts that show otherwise?

LDS church demonizes itself. Nobody here does. We just point out what they are. The vitriol comes from Mormon supporters.

That’s rather easy to do. That passage is not talking about baptizing the dead at all. Read the entire chapter. It says if Christ was still dead the people are being baptized in the name of a dead person. Believers are baptized in the name of Jesus who is raised from the dead. Verse 29 simply says what we do if we were baptized in the name of somebody who is dead? It would have no power whatsoever.

I am always amused by people get on the religion forum then criticize the poster, never addressing the post.
When words of lds leaders are used, how then is that not an adult conversation?
It appears that you are bothered by those very words.