Christian ministers told to perform gay 'weddings' or face jail time

cna ^ | October 20, 2014

[NYer]

FYI, ping!

[Salvation]

Make this little chapel a church, pronto!

[Thorliveshere]

Totalitarianism is here.

[2ndDivisionVet]

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

[Obadiah]

Okay, about the 10th time this has been posted. This “Christian Minister” is selling wedding ceremonies = for profit. This is not a church performing traditional wedding ceremonies. People pony up money, he marries them, almost like a justice of the peace. After years of pretty much marying anybody who walked through his doors, he objecting to doing homosexual marriages.

I certainly don't blame the guy, but basically he's selling a commodity and now is trying to say that he has an objection to certain people. The point is, his religious stance is thin - at best.

[jsanders2001]

“Oops sorry my minister’s license expired last month. You’ll need to go to the Faggot Factory down the road. I hear they have everything gay that you’ll ever need including Universal Church pastors and pedophelia enticemement props.good luck with your hunt”....

[CA Conservative]

As I said on another thread, the ministers should just move their chapel 50 feet outside the city limits. Of course, we are already seeing similar legislation being passed by states, and soon I’m sure it will be passed by Congress. God forbid that anyone should have anywhere to go where they can live and do business according to the dictates of their conscience and their faith...

[SECURE AMERICA]

Christian ministers told to perform gay ‘weddings’ or face jail time

This would be illegal under the Constitution. The Government can not ESTABLISH a State Religion. In ordering Clergy to marry homosexuals, they would be adding a precept into Christianity that does not exist there. Thus Establishing a State Religion.

[GeronL]

It is only a matter of time until the GOPe caves on this and what is happening in Houston like they are now caving on gay marriage

[Blood of Tyrants]

“The city cannot erase these fundamental freedoms and replace them with government coercion and intolerance.”

But they sure as heck will try.

INTOLERANCE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED!

[Blood of Tyrants]

They want to cave on social issues now. If they could get away with it, they could eliminate opposition to abortion and gay marriage from the official platform.

[CA Conservative]

The point is, his religious stance is thin - at best.

No, the point is that it is not up to you, me and especially the government to decide the validity and sincerity of his religious belief. He may have a sincere religious belief that as long as a marriage is between a man and a woman, it is blessed by God, irrespective of other considerations we might deem important, and that a same sex marriage does not meet that standard.

The Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly that the government may not try to determine whether or not a particular religious position is valid. The only questions are whether or not there is a compelling government interest at stake in the activity being regulated, and whether or not there is a less intrusive or restrictive way to achieve that interest. Since there are many other places for people to get married (including going to the courthouse), I see no compelling government interest in making sure these homosexuals can marry at the place they choose.

[NorthMountain]

[RginTN]

Notice how silent the homonazi groups are about this.

Would love to hear log cabin republicans respond.
Find it interesting the GOP is silent on this threat to liberty.

[Neoliberalnot]

No shirt, no shoes, no service. In this instance, no perverts, no coprophiles, no diseases, no service. It is his right to not work for disgusting mental patients.

[FreedomStar3028]

Contact some local militias, once they arrive, state that if they try to arrest them there will be a fight. It worked with Bundy.

The government is like a high school bully at this point. Do what we say or face the consequences, constantly pushing us around. A show of force always makes the government back off. Just like Bundy 6 months ago. Government tried to seize private property, dozens of armed men showed up, government backed down. I believe they know if they force a “shot heard round the world” it’s over for the government as it is now. They will not do it. Not until they have taken the weapons. Then you should be concerned. We have every right to push back, the government is not the end all be all and will eventually need to be put in line.

I’m not advocating violence or anything like that. I am just saying a show of force would get the government to back down a bit, and come to some kind of compromise. These Americans should not serve time in jail. It’s ridiculous. Whatever happened to the right to refuse service to anyone. Really places like these and bakeries need to tell people they don’t want to serve they are sorry and are booked up full for months, come back later.

We should stand up for people being punished for exercising their constitutional rights. Anyone.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

Whatever you think of his conscience, the government should not force him to violate it. Where the two differ, obey God rather than men.

[Avid Coug]

It would be interesting to see the city government’s response if the Hitchin’ Post was operated by Muslims, who also refused to marry gay people. I doubt they would have the guts or the desire to oppose them.

[kidd]

Actually, that argument might work...