Posted on 10/08/2014 7:27:34 AM PDT by fishtank
Jason Stellman’s Unmitigated Disaster
Rome never satisfies. It can’t. All the pomp and circumstance, all the liturgical fanfare, can never truly answer to the true needs of man. Since Rome has abandoned the gospel of grace and replaced it with a synergistic man-centered sacramentalism, she will never be able to offer to men anything but distractions, never true answers, to his real need.
I feel for those who, in their wandering through the various man-made religions, find themselves trudging over the Tiber. I know so many who have found their way out of Rome, some because they have been enlightened by the Spirit and brought to the truth, and some because they simply tire of the relentless process of sacramental forgiveness. But I will be perfectly honest: if you knowingly, purposefully submit yourself to Romanism, fully warned of its consequences and nature, well, once you find out that repetitive sacrifices and smells and bells eventually lose their novelty and thrill, you have no one to blame but yourself. And when you made that decision as a part of an act of denying the gospel of grace, abandoning the sufficiency of Scripture, the sufficiency of the singular atoning work of Christ, etc., I truly cannot find any sympathy in my heart for you when you begin to reap what you were warned, clearly, you would sow.
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http://www.creedcodecult.com/two-years-a-catholic/
I find White’s attitude disgusting.
Stellman: “Most of my fellow alumni and former professors at Westminster Seminary no longer speak to me”
White: “Excuse me, but aside from seeking to bring you to repentance, why should they?”
Ummm...because of friendship? Because it is hard to love someone you refuse to speak to? Because it it hard to hate someone to Christ? Because someone gloating is unpleasant to look at and hardly a Christian witness?
As Dr. White noted, there's a posting from a member of the church he left, that he pastored, in the comments on Jason Spellman's blog post. That one is worth reading -- sheds light on some things.
He seems to be an unstable man, and it's probably well that he's out of the pastorate now.
blah blah blah, two thousand plus years of tradition going back to before the canon was established (by the early Catholics) blah blah. No where in the New Testament can we find the Trinity or can we find sola scriptura for that matter. Just made up stuff by Luther who before he died recognized that telling the common man to do it all on his own would result in lots of divergence. We now have 30K denominations of Protestants and still one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.
I write this to make a plea with those who are still engaging Jason, listening to him, or considering following his path. Look at the real problem here. The radical nature of the paradigm shifts that have taken place in Jason's short life should say something. And the question of why Jason has to make every shift a public event with public attention should say even more. How much attention does Jason really need?....Jason did understand the gospel and decided it was not the answer for him. I repeat, it was not that he misunderstood it, and has departed in ignorance. Jason grasped it, confessed it, was ordained to it, promised to defend it, and then defected consciously from the system of doctrine he promised to uphold.Related thread:
-- from the online article The problem of theological narcissism-- stop giving Jason Stellman attention, please!
find themselves trudging over the Tiber.
He can't even get the slur right. It's swimming the Tiber, IN it, not over it.
150 masses—and you are not perfected, right? 150 sacrifices of Christ.
Apostasy, such as that of the writer from the true Church, DOES have consequences. One frequently seen is the loss of the ability (or the desire) to reason. If the writer thinks that Catholics think that 150 Masses means "150 sacrifices of Christ," he is ignorant. If he does not think so, he is lying.
This sort of knee-jerk and spiteful ignorance was a minor contributor to my swimming the Tiber.
The Eucharist is an anamnesis - a perfect 'making present' of the Last Supper, Christ's Passion, Death and Resurrection.
It is perfect and effective. We are truly present at Christ's Passion when we go to Mass. Not at some new Passion endlessly repeated but at the one and only Passion of our Lord.
Christ died once. Christ rises from the dead once. We enter into His Passion, His original-once-and-for-ever sacrifice when we attend Mass.
TRENT
http://www.thecounciloftrent.com/ch22.htm
ON THE SACRIFICE OF THE MASS
CANONS
CANON I.—If any one saith, that in the mass a true and proper sacriflce is not offered to God; or, that to be offered is nothing else but that Christ is given us to eat; let him be anathema.
CANON II.—If any one saith, that by those words, Do this for the commemoration of me (Luke xxii. 19), Christ did not institute the apostles priests; or, did not ordain that they, and other priests should offer His own body and blood; let him be anathema.
CANON III.—If any one saith, that the sacrifice of the mass is only a sacrifice of praise and of thanksgiving; or, that it is a bare commemoration of the sacrifice consummated on the cross, but not a propitiatory sacrifice; or, that it profits him only who receives; and that it ought not to be offered for the living and the dead for sins, pains, satisfactions, and other necessities; let him be anathema.
CANON IV.—If any one saith, that, by the sacrifice of the mass, a blasphemy is cast upon the most holy sacrifice of Christ consummated on the cross; or, that it is thereby derogated from; let him be anathema.
CANON V.—If any one saith, that it is an imposture to celebrate masses in honour of the saints, and for obtaining their intercession with God, as the Church intends; let him be anathema.
CANON VI.—If any one saith, that the canon of the mass contains errors, and is therefore to be abrogated; let him be anathema.
CANON VII.—If any one saith, that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs, which the Catholic Church makes use of in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety, rather than offices of piety; let him be anathema.
CANON VIII.—If any one saith, that masses, wherein the priest alone communicates sacramentally, are unlawful, and are, therefore, to be abrogated; let him be anathema.
CANON IX.—If any one saith, that the rite of the Roman Church, according to which a part of the canon and the words of consecration are pronounced in a low tone, is to be condemned; or, that the mass ought to be celebrated in the vulgar tongue only; or, that water ought not to be mixed with the wine that is to be offered in the chalice, for that it is contrary to the institution of Christ; let him be anathema.
I have had Catholics tell me that the Mass IS a sacrifice, and then I’ve had Catholics tell me it’s NOT a sacrifice.
Romans 6:10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
Hebrews 7:27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.
Hebrews 9:12 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
Hebrews 10:10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2327607/posts?page=13#13
“On my Catholic education:
8 years Catholic grade school
4 years Catholic high school
Weekly CCD classes by quite conservative Novus Ordo RCC priest
Parents subscribed to National Catholic Register, the Wanderer, Fidelity and The Remnant, and I read them while growing up.
My parents fought the Novus Ordo modernism tooth and nail and are now in the SSPX - I would politely challenge you to ask them if they considered me to be inadequately catechized.
I subscribed to Fidelity and Remnant in undergrad college and never stopped contending against modernism in the Catholic Church.”
If you reject Vatican 2,
then your Church is dead.
If you accept Vatican 2,
then you think your church is alive.
Are Roman Catholics Members of the New Covenant? Douglas Wilson vs. James White
So since you're so perfectly catechized (looking at your next post), you obviously know the correct answer, which is that the Mass is a sacrifice, but 150 Masses aren't 150 sacrifices but one, because the Mass is a true participation in only one sacrifice, that of Calvary.
So -- since you're perfectly catechized -- you must then know that White is gravely wrong. Yet you post his junk. Why?
If the Trinity can not be found in the scriptures, it then is a myth...Just like all the fables of the mother of Jesus that your religion mandates you Catholics believe...
Fortunately we bible believers do see the Trinity in the scriptures or we wouldn't accept it...We see the doctrine of scripture alone as well...It's all over the bible...That's why we know it's true...
Christ died once. Christ rises from the dead once. We enter into His Passion, His original-once-and-for-ever sacrifice when we attend Mass.
You certainly don't get this from the bible...And if it is Tradition, you can not tell us or each other where your tradition started...It just showed up one day...
It can not be from revelation since you have no one it was revealed to...
It's another Catholic fable to put Catholics under bondage to your religion...Jesus said it was finished...One death for all for all time...
No one offered Jesus as a sacrifice to the Father...The Father offered the sacrifice...For your religion to claim it offers Jesus as a sacrifice at your Masses is beyond ridiculous...
Many deluded Catholics go for that daily sacrifice every day...
So jesus had a mother? Ok. And Eve was created without original sin? And Jesus is God? And God can do whatever he wants in the divine now? So why would God NOT create His mother free from sin?
God does not have a mother...You think the Holy Spirit impregnated his own mother???
In the bible Mary is NEVER called the mother of God...It's a whacko invention by your religion...
So you believe Jesus not divine AND human?
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