Posted on 09/29/2014 8:55:58 PM PDT by Salvation
That’s because you don’t have the complete Bible.
Look in the book of Tobit.
Meaning????
Post #1 is anti-biblical
No, it isn’t. Do you ever ask anyone to pray for you?
I happened to ask St. Michael, St. Gabriel and St. Raphael to pray for us.
Nothing at all wrong with that — they are in heaven. They know the trials we are going through on earth.
Why not pray to the Creator instead of just a creation?
Again, have you ever asked anyone to pray for you?
Again—why pray to a creation?
Because they are holy ones. And I know of too many happenings that could have been caused or prevented by angels.
Now will you please answer my question?
Please read Revelation again.
In Revelation 8 we have a lovely picture of incense and prayers rising before God,
‘Another angel with a golden censer came and stood at the altar; he was given a great quantity of incense to offer with the prayers of the saints on the golden altar that is before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel.’ (Revelation 8:3-4 NRSV)
This is such an amazing picture of prayer, and more than that, of our prayers coming before God.
There are two other verses which refer to incense and prayer, one more from the New Testament and one from the Old Testament:
‘When he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell before the Lamb, each holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.’ (Revelation 5:8 NRSV)
‘Let my prayer be counted as incense before you’ (Psalms 141:2 NRSV)
Prayer is incense, is like incense and is offered with incense!
This says a great deal about how important prayer is to God.
Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.You pray to creations--angels--who are lower than we are since we are co-heirs with Christ. Why would God not listen to us--who share in Christ's glory and inheritance? Why would He ignore us? Why would you turn to another?
God is not some genie in a bottle we rub whenever we want something. Prayer is not to implement our will--it is to implement God's will on earth, just as it is in heaven. Praying for His will means He will hear us, and he will answer us every single time. We do not need angels, Mary, or any other to intercede for us.
Prayer is not about us. It's about Him.
http://biblehub.com/revelation/8-4.htm
Context
The Seventh Seal
…3Another angel came and stood at the altar, holding a golden censer; and much incense was given to him, so that he might add it to the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar which was before the throne. 4And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, went up before God out of the angel’s hand. 5Then the angel took the censer and filled it with the fire of the altar, and threw it to the earth; and there followed peals of thunder and sounds and flashes of lightning and an earthquake.
Please read 29 and 31 — they counter your quote from Romans.
God DOES listen to the prayers as they are sent to the saints according to Scripture.
“And I know of too many happenings that could have been caused or prevented by angels.”
Actually, unless you are claiming omniscience as a goddess, if it is not revealed in Scripture, you nor anyone else on earth does not “know.”
“‘Another angel with a golden censer came and stood at the altar; he was given a great quantity of incense to offer with the prayers of the saints on the golden altar that is before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel.’”
The angels are not praying. They are depicted delivering the prayers of the saints - later identified as those who die in the end times - to God. Nor are these identified as prayers of departed saints that were interceded to by a Christian on earth.
” God is not some genie in a bottle we rub whenever we want something. Prayer is not to implement our will—it is to implement God’s will on earth, just as it is in heaven. Praying for His will means He will hear us, and he will answer us every single time. We do not need angels, Mary, or any other to intercede for us.”
“Prayer is not about us. It’s about Him. “
What are you doing posting FACTS on a religion thread!!! Don’t you know that religion is whatever we want it to mean? Whatever feels good? Whatever someone else made up? Whatever pagan traditions we prefer???
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“God DOES listen to the prayers as they are sent to the saints according to Scripture.”
Neither passage you posted teaches that anyone prayed except the Christians. Try again to find Scriptural support...
One of my "guilty pleasures" in the movie realm is the movie, The Prophecy, in which Christopher Walken portrays Gabriel. However, in this movie, one of the characters, who is an expert on "angels", says the same thing you did, that angels are not "angelic" in scripture. He listed all of the rather nasty things they did, and then asked; "Would you ever really want to meet one?"
I'm truly sorry you see Scripture passages as competing against one another.
Your vision of God (and His Word) as being inconsistent needs altering.
Even when I’, speaking of personal experienes?
Or first hand knowledge of someone else being saved by an angel?
** you nor anyone else on earth does not “know.”**
Mind-Reading again?
Even when I’n speaking of personal experiences?
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