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To: Wonder Warthog

Wonder,
Yes there were many things that Jesus did that we’re not written down....BUT the context of the statement was that all that is needed for salvation WAS written down.
That again leads me to the question I asked..what doctrines NOT found in scripture but are essential to salvation are found tradition only?? If there aren’t any then all that is needed for salvation was written down....

In regard to unwritten traditions that you bind the conscience of believers to what are they???. Marian doctrines?? Where are they in the early fathers?? And I mean the apostolic fathers and second century fathers that are closer to apostolic teaching....it is interesting to see that in stromata Book 7 written by clement of Alexandria chapter 16....he denies the perpetual virginity of Mary....so I guess unwritten tradition didnt extend to him


103 posted on 09/17/2014 4:33:04 PM PDT by polishprince
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To: polishprince
"..BUT the context of the statement was that all that is needed for salvation WAS written down."

It took some time, but I finally looked up the section, and I don't see any such "context" there.

"That again leads me to the question I asked..what doctrines NOT found in scripture but are essential to salvation are found tradition only?? If there aren’t any then all that is needed for salvation was written down....

There are several. The ones I recall quickly from memory are the "perpetual virginity of Mary", and the "Assumption of Mary into Heaven".

"In regard to unwritten traditions that you bind the conscience of believers to what are they???. Marian doctrines?? Where are they in the early fathers??

I don't have time to do any exhaustive comments. When I was studying before converting to Catholicism, I looked up and checked out several.....and they ARE found in the early fathers.

"And I mean the apostolic fathers and second century fathers that are closer to apostolic teaching....it is interesting to see that in stromata Book 7 written by clement of Alexandria chapter 16....he denies the perpetual virginity of Mary....so I guess unwritten tradition didn't extend to him.

Clement was free to follow his thoughts when he made them, as the Church hadn't made a definitive pronouncement as to whether that specific teaching was to be considered dogmatic by believing Catholics. And a number of "early fathers" believed a number of erroneous things. Some got thrown out as heretics because of them.

106 posted on 09/21/2014 6:33:42 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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