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We have all suffered, and as I write this I know many FReepers who are currently suffering through a season either physical or emotional pain. Some of us have learned to live with this pain as Paul did with the thorn in bis side, but some are agonizing as they wonder why they are and how come God does not seem to be hearing their call for help. That's a tough question to answer, so it's my hope and prayer that you will find some solace in this article.
1 posted on 08/10/2014 9:31:05 AM PDT by OneVike
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For is starting to clear the way for the final battle between him & the evil one [and all of those who follow him...]


2 posted on 08/10/2014 9:36:07 AM PDT by TMSuchman (John 15;13 & Exodus 21:22-25 Pacem Bello Pastoribus Canes [shepard of peace,dogs of war])
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If your going through a time of suffering and wonder why, or if a friend or a loved one is and you are struggling to answer their question of why, maybe this article I wrote on Why Does God Allow Christians to Suffer? will have some answers for you.
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3 posted on 08/10/2014 9:36:24 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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“God is not our celestial butler.” —Dennis Prager


4 posted on 08/10/2014 9:36:42 AM PDT by onedoug
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Because they won’t defend themselves?

Ask Richard the Lionhearted what he’d do with muzzies.

He’d cleave them them from head to chaps.


6 posted on 08/10/2014 9:44:59 AM PDT by x1stcav (Leftism is like rust. It corrodes twenty-four hous a day.)
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To: OneVike

Watch Oh God the movie. George Burns explains it perfectly.


7 posted on 08/10/2014 9:45:43 AM PDT by Minsc
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Since The Lord Jesus Christ suffered for us, shouldn’t we as gracefully bear our sufferings for His Namesake, because of what He has done for us? Yes.

Living on earth hurts us all to differing degrees.

He never said He came to remove our sufferings on Earth but to call sinners to repentance and to salvation eternally.

He sent The Comforter to aid us in our walk as followers of The Lord Jesus Christ, not to cook our breakfasts and wash our clothes and make our daily lives painfree.

He lets us suffer for His Own reasons. Isn’t that sufficient?


8 posted on 08/10/2014 9:49:55 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To have free will, and to be able to actually make choices implies that we might make bad choices. And surprise! We do make bad choices. Then we suffer. If God wanted to eliminate all suffering, He would have to eliminate all freedom. He makes a choice on our behalf, and that choice is to allow us to choose as well, because we are made in His image.


9 posted on 08/10/2014 9:52:54 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Harvey Dent, can we trust him?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsdV--kLoQ)
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Does God allow people to make mistakes?


11 posted on 08/10/2014 9:58:10 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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Most suffering are the consequences of sin being visited upon us. Spiritual laws, like laws of gravity have automatic consequences when broken.

But God works all things out for good to those who are called according to His purpose. (Romans 8:28), and often God will use trials to build within us His character. For His strength is perfected in our weakness, for the witness of The Lord is made manifest in accomplishing His Will through our frail, weak selves if we would but be obedient.

It often does not seem fair to us. Same as a child who cannot see the end result of what a parent is preparing for him some years down the road. No, the child cannot have a chain saw at age 8, even though he cries for one. But in time, with training he will be ready to have one and be able to use it with skill and without risk to himself or others. That is a physical analogy to a spiritual truth we cannot yet see.

The suffering and slaughter of Christians in this evil world may not seem fair to us. God is often testing to see if we will hold onto our faith in Him, or if we will buckle and give up to do things our own way.

I think the more OUr Father in Heaven allows us to suffer trials, the more He is perfecting that person for the Office Jesus Christ is preparing for them to inherit for eternity.

We have to trust God. We must trust that no matter the physical issues, our spiritual life is what is most important to God. He who began a work in us will see it to completion, and often that requires us to overcome everything this rotten physical flesh has to dish out.


12 posted on 08/10/2014 10:01:57 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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Suggest reading two books “The Problem of Pain” and “A Grief Observed” both by CS Lewis. Read them in that order.


13 posted on 08/10/2014 10:03:21 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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Hitler lived to be older than my mother who died of cancer. Go figure. There is no rhyme nor reason as to who suffers or dies. Apparently God only intervenes for some, not all.


16 posted on 08/10/2014 10:06:31 AM PDT by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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God told Job “ Where were you when I created this world? where were you when I create everything here”? I think he was essentially saying, so you suffer, so does everyone else. Guess what? That’s the way it’s gonna be.


18 posted on 08/10/2014 10:09:26 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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Lourdes: “I know a lot of people have lost their faith, but mine is stronger than ever.”

Karen: “Good for you. Next time you get on your knees could you see if the Big Guy can get us a operational B-2 Bomber loaded with nukes?”

Lourdes: “I don't pray for God to give me things. I don't think it works like that.”

Karen: “The what do you pray for?”

Lourdes: “I ask God to show me what I can do for him.”
From the TV Show Falling Skies

20 posted on 08/10/2014 10:13:35 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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God is currently being deported from the United States..
At least Designer God’s are...

The real one.. must be laughing..
Barak Obama is indeed PUNISHMENT to the United States.. for it..
“God” need not punish anyone.. we do it ourselves..

The NEW God...... GIVERNMENT... fickle, stupid and a bully..


22 posted on 08/10/2014 10:15:25 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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A couple of good books — one out of print.

“When Bad Things Happen to Good People” by Rabbi Kushner

“Without Thorns It’s Not a Rose” by Father Jack Scott — you might find this is a used book store. Helped me tremendously.


23 posted on 08/10/2014 10:17:26 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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God does have creations that are without suffering. They are called angles. They have seen the glory and power of God directly. In his wisdom, God granted choice and the choice is very simple. Either follow God’s way, or be separated from God.

Some of the angles became jealous of God’s power and decided to not follow God and do things their own way. Thus they were cast out of heaven and separated. Since God is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control, these angles (now devils) were separated from all that is good. In time, their spirit of hate, anger, discord, selfishness, etc. came to be the only expressions that they knew.

God brought a different creature into the world (Man) who while in the garden of Eden was without suffering and sin. But man was tempted by the devil and chose to bring sin into the world. It is NOT God’s fault that we suffer, it is MAN’s fault. This choice separated man from God and we were cast out of Eden.

But God loves us and does not want to be separated from us, so he first create the law so that man could learn right from wrong. But man still failed to choose righteousness so God provided an atonement for our sins through his son Jesus who was without sin, took on the sins of everyone and suffered the just punishment for sin. A perfect God can not allow sin to go unpunished. If that was allowed, then there would be no justice in the world.

So the really important question should not be “Why does God allow Christians to suffer” because MAN chose the path of suffering. The really important question is “Do I choose life or death; blessings or curses”.

Deut 30:19
This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live


30 posted on 08/10/2014 10:37:54 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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Why Does God Allow Christians to Suffer?
On Suffering as A Remedy for Something Worse. A Meditation on a Teaching from St. Augustine
What we can learn about suffering in the story of Joseph, the Patriarch
Where is God At Times Like These? A meditation in the wake of a violent atrocity [Prayer Ping]

Catholics, Get Ready to Suffer
Mood changes as pope, young people reflect on suffering in Way of CrossM
Following The Truth: Appreciating The Gift Of Suffering (Catholic or Open)
Cardinal Burke: suffering does not rid life of purpose
In historic TV Q&A, Pope Benedict speaks about suffering, comatose persons, persecution (Catholic)
Pope Addresses Suffering in Historic Television Appearance
(Why Am I Catholic?) For Peace While Suffering (A Few Words for Wednesday)
Praying in Sickness and Old Age
The Church as a Hospital
[CATHOLIC CAUCUS] The Apostolate of Suffering Redux

Redemptive Suffering
Through church, Jesus ministers to all who are sick in the world
'Amazing Grace for Those Who Suffer'
Pope Benedict asks sick to offer up suffering for priests (Catholic Caucus)
Why Must I Suffer?
On the Advantages of Tribulations by Saint Alphonsus Liguori
Why Be Catholic? 3: Suffering [Ecumenical]
"Love Really Can Make Suffering Bearable": Woman with Spina Bifida
Experts at Euthanasia Symposium Stress Unity, Strategy, and the Triumph of Love over Suffering
Holy Father prays for peace and unity, encourages the suffering to trust in God

Joy-Filled Suffering, Laetare Sunday
Children 'Suffering >From Lack Of Two-Parent Family', Study Finds
Pope Says Euthanasia 'False Solution' to Suffering, Alludes to Comatose Woman's Fate
Excerpts from THE FRUITS OF HIS LOVE - The Value Of Suffering - Mother M. Angelica
Why Not You? (on suffering)
Vicar takes down crucifixion sculpture 'because it's a scary depiction of suffering'
The Value of Suffering in the Life of Christian Perfection
IN BRUSH WITH DEATH, PRIEST SHOWN HELL, PURGATORY, DEGREES OF SUFFERING
Prayers to Saint Agatha [For Those Suffering from Breast Cancer]
REDEMPTIVE SUFFERING(Catholic Caucus or by Invitation Only)

31 posted on 08/10/2014 10:38:08 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Really a stupid question. Peter and Paul suffered immeasurably and both were executed, to say nothing of early Christians being fed to the hungry lions. “Take Up Your Cross and Follow Me.” That’s the short and only answer.


34 posted on 08/10/2014 10:50:06 AM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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“how come God does not seem to be hearing their call for help. “

They aren’t asking Him for help. They are ordering Him to help.


42 posted on 08/10/2014 11:20:27 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious they are trying hard to ignore.)
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Chuck et al, Job 38.


50 posted on 08/10/2014 12:02:26 PM PDT by xone
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