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My Church Loyalties
Christian Century ^ | 28 July 2014 | D. Stephen Long

Posted on 07/28/2014 3:10:13 PM PDT by The Grammarian

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To: Iscool

They never mentioned Protestantism, certainly.


41 posted on 07/28/2014 7:38:10 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: The Grammarian
There are a number of places where I don't think reconciliation between Protestants and Roman Catholics is possible, but to paraphrase Hauerwas, one cannot be truly Protestant and not long for visible as well as spiritual unity among Christians. The essence of Protestantism is not simply that we are against Roman Catholicism, but also that we are for (pro testari) the true form of it.

So WHICH one of the 30,000+ different Protestant denominations have the "true form of it" (Christian unity)?

It can't be ALL of them as they are so very different from each other. Some? A few? 14 of them? How many?

42 posted on 07/28/2014 7:38:26 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: ealgeone
As a Catholic I find it difficult to comprehend how ANY Protestant whose denomination supports abortion, euthanasia and homosexuality can call himself a Christian.

There MUST be some Protestant denominations that consider those three horrors as Satan's very own evil as Catholics do?

43 posted on 07/28/2014 7:43:10 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: The Grammarian
The Parable of the Tares definitely militates against that particular viewpoint.

Now there's a ten dollar word...But no, that's not true...Perhaps you make the same error the Catholics make with that parable...They use that verse to claim there are tares in the Church...All one has do is read the scriptures...It tells you right there that the context is the world, NOT the church...

The wheat and tares are in the world...The wheat only is the church...

44 posted on 07/28/2014 7:43:39 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: The Grammarian; Talisker
So it is here. I am not addressing 'org charts' while metmom speaks of spiritual states; I reject the presented dichotomy as a false dichotomy born out of a hyper-individualistic soteriology that supposes that we can be Christ-followers in isolation from one another.

Only Catholics are so good at making assumptions about what other people mean with no basis whatsoever.

And you know what? People can be Christ followers in isolation. Indeed, many people are forced into it due to circumstances beyond their control.

A person does NOT need a church, a denomination, an organization, to follow Christ.

A follower of Christ just needs the leading of the Holy Spirit who is the indwelling presence in the believer.

A Christian is one who's one inwardly, not one outwardly based on being a card carrying member of XYZ church.

45 posted on 07/28/2014 7:44:42 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: cloudmountain
As a Catholic I find it difficult to comprehend how ANY Protestant whose denomination supports abortion, euthanasia and homosexuality can call himself a Christian. There MUST be some Protestant denominations that consider those three horrors as Satan's very own evil as Catholics do?

As a Christian I oppose all of those....along with praying/worshiping to Mary and other false idols.

46 posted on 07/28/2014 7:48:02 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: ealgeone

Catholics don’t worship Mary. Why, do you?


47 posted on 07/28/2014 7:52:20 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: metmom

” Nobody needs a denomination,a building,an organization,whatever,to be a church.”

Your right like a lot of protestants on forum threads who sit at home on the Lord’s Day and ‘church themselves’....they dont need no stinkin churches.

AMDG


48 posted on 07/28/2014 7:53:09 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: metmom

So are you saying that you don’t obey the Ten Commandments? Especially about keeping the Lord’s Day holy by attending church?


49 posted on 07/28/2014 8:00:15 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ealgeone
Who worships Mary? Catholics don't. If you believe that then you believe incorrectly.

We talk to her asking for things. Don't you ever "talk" to your deceased loved ones? Praying is talking.

We worship God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We pray/talk to many people in heaven.

However, I do know many Protestants who think the way you do...that we worship someone other than God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It always make me wonder where they got so much disinformation.

Steve Ray and Scott Hahn, two former Protestants converts to Catholicism, did give insight on the hatred some Protestants are taught from a VERY early age.
They thought that it was a sad state of affairs to grow up with such religious bigotry, based on the hatred of a faith.

I will pray for the dissolving of your driving hatred for ... Catholicism and us folks who practice it. I was brought up in it. I didn't learn to hate those who were NOT brought up in Catholicism.

WHO taught you such hatred and SUCH disinformation? S/he/they did you a disservice.

50 posted on 07/28/2014 8:01:19 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: ealgeone

you have a real short memory since you have been told repeatedly that any Catholic who ‘worships’ Mary is EXCOMMUNICATED latie sentia ie automatically and are thus no longer Catholic

Just another of your prot smears of faithful Catholics.

AMDG


51 posted on 07/28/2014 8:04:21 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: ealgeone
"As I said before....it's very rare to hear a catholic identify as a Christian."

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Here are a few links which should clear up any confusion about whether Catholics refer to themselves as Christians or not (which we actually do all the time, because we are Christians).

(Please honestly read these few brief example pages to forever clarify that question for yourself.)


52 posted on 07/28/2014 8:18:15 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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To: cloudmountain
So WHICH one of the 30,000+ different Protestant denominations have the "true form of it" (Christian unity)?

None.

And neither can Catholicism make that claim because its hardly unified itself.

Just ask the EO.

53 posted on 07/28/2014 8:20:46 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Iscool
Now there's a ten dollar word...But no, that's not true...Perhaps you make the same error the Catholics make with that parable...They use that verse to claim there are tares in the Church...All one has do is read the scriptures...It tells you right there that the context is the world, NOT the church...

It's an error easy to make if you think that the organization is the true church.

There are Christians and non-Christians who make up all the denominations and attend them.

But the true church, the true body of Christ, is comprised of only believers.

54 posted on 07/28/2014 8:23:09 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: LurkingSince'98
Your right like a lot of protestants on forum threads who sit at home on the Lord’s Day and ‘church themselves’....they dont need no stinkin churches.

And just who exactly does that, pray tell, and how do you know who on this forum sits home on Sundays and doesn't attend church?

Nobody needs a denomination to follow Christ.

Nobody needs to attend services on Sunday mornings to follow Christ and grow spiritually.

Does church help? Absolutely.

Is it essential? No and anyone who thinks it is has real issues spiritually.

They are in far worse shape than they realize.

Church attendance should be secondary in the Christians walk with Christ because it's about a relationship, not doing a list of do's and not doing the don't's.

It may feel good to be able to check off on the list all the obligations and feel like you've done your spiritual duty, but that's not a real relationship.

People who depend on their works are going to be like those who Jesus said He never knew when they appealed to their works.

But Jesus, I did, did, did.....

And He says "I never KNEW you."

55 posted on 07/28/2014 8:30:18 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Salvation

We are not under obligation to keep the Ten Commandments to be in right standing with God any more. That’s the old covenant.

And show me where in Scripture that keeping the Lord’s Day holy means attending church.

And what about all those Catholics who go to mass on Saturday evening?

That’s not the Lord’s Day. Are they not keeping it holy then?


56 posted on 07/28/2014 8:32:30 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: cloudmountain; ealgeone

*You hater, you hater, you hater.*

You Catholics sound like a liberal broken record. Y’all love your labels.

Is that all you have in your arsenal to respond to the points raised by non-Catholics?

Someone disagrees with Catholicism, so they’re labeled *haters*.

Does it really make you feel so smug and so much superior to the rest of us that y’all level that charge at EVERYONE not a Catholic?

Or is there really no defense against what is being pointed out that y’all have to attack the messenger instead of addressing the topic at hand.

How pathetic.


57 posted on 07/28/2014 8:37:34 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: LurkingSince'98; ealgeone
you have a real short memory since you have been told repeatedly that any Catholic who ‘worships’ Mary is EXCOMMUNICATED latie sentia ie automatically and are thus no longer Catholic

Wait.... what???

It's not *Once a Catholic, always a Catholic* now?

Can you guys make up your collective minds?

58 posted on 07/28/2014 8:39:02 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ealgeone

Every authentic Roman Catholic is already a Christian.


59 posted on 07/28/2014 8:42:55 PM PDT by Campion
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To: AppyPappy
We all know prayer warriors, those who storm Heaven's gates to ask for what is best.

If the answer they ask for isn't being granted, something even better is on the way.

60 posted on 07/28/2014 8:50:33 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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