Posted on 05/29/2014 2:06:09 PM PDT by NYer
5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon[a] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16 “‘After this I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’[b]—
18 things known from long ago.[c]
19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”
The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Farewell.
30 So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31 The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. 32 Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. 33 After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them. [34] [d] 35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.
#11 It is quite ok to VENERATE and/or ADORE others to the MAX; as GOD needs all the help HE can get.
I don’t think you ever answered my question about Colton Burpo seeing and meeting Mary in heaven. Do you think he is lying? After all you keep denying her place in heaven.
See my post about prots violating the eighth commandment.
Verse 20:4-6 always seems to be left out when certain folks discuss the thou shalt nots...
Ok, so how does that change the Sabbath from the seventh day to the first day?
How does it change what day God rested on? if you took off work last Saturday and rested can you later change that day you rested to Sunday?
Can you change the date you were born?
Can we change the date or the outcome of Custer’s last stand?
I have no problem with holding Church service on Sunday or any other day of the week.
But we can not change the Sabbath to something it was not.
And then there is God’s timekeeping He keeps in the sky for us - sun, moon and stars that were for signs, seasons, days and years..
And most use just the sun... unless it is a jewish feast month, then for two months, the moon gets involved for them..
Scripture says times and laws would try to be changed..and the premise we all accept is that the greco romam latin pope gregory calendar is the only way to tell time..
Problem is for the time the bible represents, there was no calculated gregorian.
That seems to have been accomplished.. and believers and non believers accept the wall calendars and smart phones as gospel truth for what day or month it is...
Just a little Wikipedia search of days of week or days of months and some of the origins, I found enough as a believer, to be uneasy with the gods and goddesses and creation represented for certain days/months...
That is a reason days are numbered in scripture.. not given ‘names’....
But a study of His calendar shows that the entire world of business, politics and religion would be hard pressed to scrap the calculated standard of the gregorian (or any calculated one) and observe His calendar and timekeeping He gave us in the sky..
Restoration of His timekeeping can occur when the Spirit moves in believers and convinces them that the world is counterfeit, set on a number of false premises and lies.. and one is that saturnsday or Sunsday is the sabbath from time immemorial..
They were both work days according to Ezekiel 46:1 in the last gregorian month...
We know restoration has occurred when Saturn’sday/Sun’sday debate has ended and the true Sabbath has been revealed...
I don't jump through hoops well.
You really don't care WHAT I think about something that he alleges; do you?
I did.
Have you read mine on mackerel snappers posting foolish things on FR?
Seems that thou beest in goode companie.
Romans 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike.
I don`t know anything about all of that, but I agree that Gods time line is probably much different than ours, but if a day is ten thousand years or one of our days does not change anything.
What we are talking about here is that it is recorded that God rested on the seventh day and called it the Sabbath.
Many Christians say that the first day of the week is the Christian Sabbath.
Jesus being risen on the first day of the week does not Change the fact that God rested on the seventh day of the week.
We can not change the day God rested.
Seems that thou beest in goode companie.
That was a Gregorian Thor's day this year if the sun, moon and stars are used to tell time- not a Sunday... so I don't accept the premise that the Gregorian days are anything but a counterfeiting of scripture and God's timekeeping...
The messiah did rise on the first day of the week... and that first day isnt called Sunday in God's calendar.. It is called simply the first day of the week..
And the Gregorian floats around His calendar so even the gregorian Saturn's day or the Moon's day or Twi’s day, or Woden’s Day, or Thor's day or Frig’s Day or even the Sun's day can be the first day of His week because His pattern doesn't follow man's attempt to pattern Him..
Jews almost universally celebrated passover on a Moon's day this year, which was the 14th (a coincidence that the new moon occurred on the first day of the Gregorian month so the actual days in leviticus matched up to the months of april and may-rare..).
according to Torah, the next day, the 15th (a Twi’s day), is a sabbath because that is the feast of unleavened bread... the 16th or the feast of first fruits would be on the Woden’s day if they kept the feast accurately.. and resurrection day this year, by the Jews using the sun and moon together , clearly shows that the time immemorial annual Good Friday, Saturday, easter Sunday template to be counterfeit...
To make matters even more interesting, if the sun,moon and stars were all used together- Passover would have been in gregorian may... but easter was celebrated in april, before Passover!
God's calendar has no names for the days..and no postponement rules or suspension rules for when His real sabbath bumps up against the man made sabbath... and He uses those set times, sabbaths and feasts to show and shadow as rehearsals for His ultimate plan of salvation, written in the sky if only one would look up..
And it is in the Scriptures... and it can be revealed to anyone who asks, seeks and knocks.. and if prepared to live it, life changes will happen...
And when you can actually see the Messiah's life in the calendar? Wow... scripture unlocks so much that church can't..
I can say with confidence and biblical proof that scripture hints to the day He was born, when He was circumcised, the day He was dedicated to the temple, baptized, killed, rested and raised- and know that they were appointed times and set times in scripture(Torah)...(new moon, sabbath, feasts)
December 25 and easter Sunday doesn't do that because scripture and even the modern Jews show those days as man made and not scriptural..
It actually probably keeps Jews from even seeing the Messiah of Israel as they don't recognize Him as Torah in the flesh...
But if you believe the Word, the written oracles, became flesh and dwelt among us as the Living oracles , it stands to reason that those set times and appointed times in the Word would be important times in the Messiah's life on earth..
And each marker in His life can be found with His calendar with hints and proof in scripture..
Gregorian doesn't do that for us.Nor was it desiged to..
But our Heavenly Father's calendar always points to Him...Him is always the purpose,..
HalleluYah!!
Correction for you raven..
The 16th day, if the sun, moon and stars are used t determine the first month,
Was a Frig’s Day- the 15th and the Sabbath was on Thor’s day..
Sorry for the confusion..
Same applies though that as good Friday, Saturday and easter snday was celebrated, it wasn’t even passover yet if one uss the sun, moon and stars..
Was a Frig’s Day- the 15th and the Sabbath was on Thor’s day..
My argument is based on the premise of the Church teaching.
The church uses the sun only for its calendar basis.. and then has it’s traditional worship on the sun’s day... (not Son’s day)
There were ancient peoples before Messiah walked the earth who did the same exact thing... obelisks and pregnant domes are some of the symbols and are even used today that represent that ancient sun god worship...
As for the church, it teaches that He was killed on something called good frig’s day and raised on a sun’s day...
The scriptures says He died on passover and raised on first fruits..
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And it appars that never the two (the church and scripture) should meet on this :)
I will trust scripture over the traditons of men.
And it is awesome to know when the Messiah was truly born- and He doesn’t share His day with any pagan gods or goddesses like December 25 appears to...
I will trust scripture over the traditons of men.
The scriptures says He died on passover and raised on first fruits..>>>>
But what I read in my bible is that Jesus rose on the first day of the week, I have saw nothing about the first fruits, if I did it has not got my attention
And it is awesome to know when the Messiah was truly born>>>>
I don`t know when Jesus was born but I doubt very much if it was December the 25th and yes I believe it is another pagan day, not because I know anything but just by the way it smells, so to speak.
I only believe what Jesus taught and am not fond of any religion.
The reason I brought up the Sabbath is because the Church teaches just what the KJV Bible says, that God rested on the seventh day and called it the Sabbath rest.
But then they call the 1st day of our week )Sunday )the Christian Sabbath, some simply because Paul preached on the 1st day of the week and others because Jesus rose on that day.
When it comes right down to it I do not know when the seventh day was but I do know that to change it God would have to go back and do it all over again.
Jesus told his apostles that they would be hated for his name sake, he was a Jew and the Jews kept the Sabbath even if wrongly.
I believe the Roman church started holding the first day of the week as the Sabbath for two reasons, one was to come to terms with the non Jewish people who believed in the worship on the Sabbath day an two to get the pagans in on the Christian rituals.
Not to mention it would alienate the Jews.
The Sabbath is the day of rest but for hundreds of years Sunday has been the day of rest, not only in the Christian world but also forced on the people who have no such belief.
Sadly, too many have no idea what the feasts represent like first fruits- or when they are or what a new moon day is/was.. Jews are as much at fault for they have conformed themselves to the world in many respects too and have failed as a holy, set apart nation of priests.
But as gentile believers we have many who say He fulfills the feasts and set times.. and then go about and not even mark those as times that are special..
We kind of sort of know about passover but all of Torah is amazing for a believer to study.. I spent more time in Leviticus 23 than in anything when asking, seeking and knocking :)
It is a template for the Messiah’s entire life, death and His return..
Those feasts are construed as ‘Jewish feasts’ but everything the Jews endured and were taught were rehearsals for the coming of their king and the kingdom and us gentiles could learn a lot from them.. and maybe even teach the Jews something that could provoke them to jealousy..
I wonder now if Jews wonder why the day of atonement is on the 10th day of the seventh month? Or why scripture says to circumcise your male on the 8th day? Or why there were ceremonies and banquets of the ‘new moon day’? Or why a male babe must wait 40 days to be dedicated to the temple?
All of those were ordinances and rules in Torah and it’s because everything in ‘The Word’ points to ‘The Word’ that became flesh!
New moons, Sabbaths and set feasts are rehearsals and confirmation that the messiah has indeed come and will come again and all of these will be restored..
From study and His grace I have come to see the Messiah set days as ‘findable’ amd seachable’
Messiah was born, according to scripture, on the new moon day (1st day) of the 6th month of His calendar- under the sign in the sky of Virgo,when the new moon was under her feet..(revelation 12 is a zodiac sign)
Messiah was circumcised, then, on the 8th day of the month according to Torah, which is a seventh day sabbath, and by the prophets, who were given the template in Ezekiel 46:1, as told by our Heavenly Father:
Day 1 of month- new moon day
Day 2-7 of month, six work days
Day 8 of month, seventh day sabbath (pattern would then be the 15th,22nd and 29th days as Sabbaths in His months)
Messiah and His mother, Miriam, had to wait another 33 days before her purification was done, according to Torah.
Male babies at 40 days, per Torah, were to be dedicated to the temple.
It just so happens that 40 days after the Messiah was born falls exactly on the 10th day of the 7th month. According to Torah, that day is Yom Kippurl or the Day of Atonement!
There are ‘hints’ to these in the new testament..
And at the tender age of 45 days, He would have celebrated His first Tabernacles and ‘dwelt’ among them..
And at the age of 30, our Messiah was baptized to begin His ministry. If we follow the story, He then went into the wilderness for 40 days and nights.
(Which is the same amount of time of purification between His birth and His dedication to the temple)
The Jews as a matter of fact, have a ‘40 days of awe’ that begins on the first day of the 6th month and ends on the Day of Atonement(Yom Kippur) on the 10th day of atonement..
Jews note it is because of Moses on the mountain but if we are believers in the Word that became flesh, The Word all points to the Messiah ultimately and it corresponds to His 40 days of purification at His birth and the 40 days of purification in the wilderness..
And then, we of course have His entry, death , burial and resurrection that follows exactly as Torah says.
Death on the 14th, rested (even in death He rested on the Sabbath) on the 15th, and was raised the third day( 16th day-first day of the week, after the 7th day Sabbath, which is a High sabbath in scripture) which is the feast of first fruits - why Paul called Him the first fruits of those who sleep..
I can tell you, without study of His full Word and His Help, I would not know any of this.but complete faith in His Truth is what I was asking for.. not what people told me to believe..
With studying His calendar and timekeeping and comparing it to today’s calculated calendars, I saw he importance of the new moons, sabbaths and set feasts to what our Heavenly Father was giving to Israel and to us and how the Messiah in his life, death, resurrection and return, is truly the Savior of the Whole world- and I can back it up with what the Bereans used, Torah and the prophets..
And you just don’t get that from the church. They seem to have substituted their own savior for His.. with a substitute birth day, death day, and resurrection day...even his name is a substitute... Worship in Spirit and Truth?
That worries me greatly..and it didn’t two years ago before I asked, sought and knocked..
Today, I can defend my faith in the Messiah of Israel.. I am not so sure I can defend the savior of today’s church,.
They seem to have substituted their own savior for His.. with a substitute birth day, death day,
As for resting on the Sabbath and raising on the first day of the week, most will say that Jesus was raised on the first day of the week, but I have not heard any one say that he rested on the Sabbath.
We kind of sort of know about passover but all of Torah is amazing for a believer to study.. I spent more time in Leviticus 23 than in anything when asking, seeking and knocking :)
It is a template for the Messiah’s entire life, death and His return..>>>>>
I have no doubt that the things you have said explain many things.
But you may have heard the saying G.P.C. (go preach Christ or go plant corn)
I believe most people including my self were told to go plant corn.
To put it plain, what you are saying is not simple to me at all but what Jesus said is simple, so I will just have to take your word for it as you seem to know where you are coming from.
I have read the O.T enough to know that God rested on the seventh day and called it the Sabbath rest and it is said to be an ever lasting commandment.
It is also history and I do not think we can change history.
So that was my reason for disputing the so called Christian Sabbath.
Our Heavenly Father placed His seal(name, title and territory ) in the Sabbath commandment.
If you believe that Satan is a master counterfeiter, which I do, would there be a potential counterfeit sabbath that would rob proper worship from our Heavenly Father? One that instead of sealing His children in the hand and the frontlets of the eyes, it marks them?
Here are some seal and ‘mark’ verses- Deut 6:5-9; deut11:18-19, exodus 13:9,16-19; exodus 31:13, jeremiah 44:25, revelation 22:4, revelation 14:9-12- rev 16:2, rev 19:20, rev 20:4, rev 14:1,rev 12:12
So biblically I ask, can a substitute sabbath be created that robs worship?...And it is counterfeits with a counterfeit calendar, so no can find His True Sabbath (currently named after a pope, pope gregory) and.. that calendar will counterfeit holy days and make new ones up and let’s throw in even a counterfeit savior (named jesus, the greco roman latin name instead of the english transliteration- joshua, which is an actual name found in the old testament) ...
Add to this that some believers and some churches teach that He has done away with the law, especially the sabbath law?
Could Satan be that evil, crafty and subtle enough that even the very elect could be deceived?
Scripture says its possible....
And I don’t read revelation in the same light as the church.. I see parts of them(maybe most of them) on the wrong side...
Revelation and Daniel are happening today... and the whole world has wondered after the beast..
And we are called to come out of her....
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