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A cogent discussion of the issues with the 'kingdom now' teaching.
1 posted on 05/27/2014 8:39:36 AM PDT by dartuser
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Thus, in light of a proper understanding of the so called "Lord's Prayer" in Matthew 6:9-13, the whole notion that Christ already established the kingdom in spiritual form at His First Advent becomes unlikely, if not impossible.

OK, but explain this:

Luk_17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

2 posted on 05/27/2014 9:14:14 AM PDT by Iscool
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Thanks. Will fully read before commenting. Just wanted ya to know people read your posts:)


3 posted on 05/27/2014 9:35:56 AM PDT by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: dartuser; daniel1212; metmom; boatbums
Read it good piece. Woods alludes to Acts 1 but did not use it much in his argument. That made me scratch my head. Acts 1:

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

And something else could have added to his argument as well (even though the Gospel according to Matthew is his focus). Where Jesus clearly delineates His First Advent Mission:

Luke 4:

17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Which was a partial reading of the following from Isaiah 61:

Isaiah 61:

The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified.

The bold above in Isaiah 61 is what Jesus read. He stopped there not reading "and the day of vengeance of our God." The following verses as you know depict the Kingdom on earth. Jesus did not preach that fulfillment in the hearing of all present in Luke chapter 4.

4 posted on 05/27/2014 10:42:32 AM PDT by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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