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Is Pluralism a Threat to Catholic Survival?
Crisis Magazine ^ | May 7, 2014 | James Kalb

Posted on 05/07/2014 1:52:18 PM PDT by NYer

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To: D-fendr

We aren’t importing millions of blacks of any denomination\, but the left has always counted on importing Catholics, and still do.


21 posted on 05/07/2014 8:01:27 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

So it’s not a matter of religion but of demographics.


22 posted on 05/07/2014 8:03:43 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: ansel12

If the “imports” were protestant, would you not object?


23 posted on 05/07/2014 8:05:36 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: NYer

“Pluralism” means everyone agrees with the extreme left these days


24 posted on 05/07/2014 8:06:02 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: ansel12

Or.. how do young hispanic female protestants vote?


25 posted on 05/07/2014 8:07:38 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

England is not Protestant, they are dhimmi


26 posted on 05/07/2014 8:08:49 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: D-fendr

What is your definition of “Protestant”?

Do you think Jeremiah Wright is Protestant? I don’t think so.


27 posted on 05/07/2014 8:14:11 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

For this purpose: Whatever your church, confession, acceptable religion.

The “import” is your acceptable religious affiliation, AND the demographic that votes liberal.


28 posted on 05/07/2014 8:16:22 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

Well, we do know how Protestant Hispanics vote, but we don’t have a breakdown by denominations, except for Catholic, which is what we are importing so many of.

This racism is making me uncomfortable, is Catholicism a white supremacy church to some Catholics?

Catholics were voting democrat long before JFK’s immigration law had any effect.


29 posted on 05/07/2014 8:17:52 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: GeronL

I think Jeremiah Wright is Protestant, at least for general conversation, and in polling he is recorded as Protestant when listing the Protestant vote, which always goes republican.

The problem is that no one talks about individual denominations.


30 posted on 05/07/2014 8:20:45 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: D-fendr

Evidently it is a matter of religion, since Catholics have almost always voted democrat, and were white.


31 posted on 05/07/2014 8:21:56 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

We do know that demographics are a much more accurate predictor of voting than religious affiliation.

To use religious affiliation as the more accurate predictor is an error.

Why persist in this error?


32 posted on 05/07/2014 8:30:16 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
FYI, American Protestants, through the KKK, offered thousands of dollars to the socialist government of Mexico to fight the Cristeros.

If that is true they weren't too successful were they??? Almost 85% of Mexicans in Mexico are Catholic...It is definitely a Catholic Country...

33 posted on 05/07/2014 8:33:42 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: D-fendr

Actually we have always known how the Catholic vote was going to, and we still do.


34 posted on 05/07/2014 8:33:45 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Iscool

Mexico used to be almost purely Catholic, like 95% or so.


35 posted on 05/07/2014 8:35:30 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Iscool

Sorry, it was greater than 95% Catholic.


36 posted on 05/07/2014 8:37:45 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

So that religious affiliation is not the more accurate predictor is an irrelevant fact in your argument about what is the more accurate predictor.

This would be an argument without concern for credibility.

If you wish to persist in obvious error, then that reveals still more.

Your choice.


37 posted on 05/07/2014 9:34:37 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

I know how Catholics vote, so did JFK, since the republican party had either never won the Catholic vote, or depending on the polling, had won it once, that is why it was so important to JFK and to the left, to change the immigration laws.


38 posted on 05/07/2014 11:02:15 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

So Catholics voted for Kennedy, Kennedy was liberal.. ergo..

that’s your factual, statistical basis for Catholic = liberal.

You do see the problems with this being the foundation of your argument, yes?


39 posted on 05/08/2014 12:09:42 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: ansel12

Let’s break it down just a bit:

Do you think Kennedy being Catholic had anything to do with the Catholic vote going for Kennedy?

Do you think Kennedy’s positions on foreign policy and economic policy and domestic policy were liberal?

Do you think any of this applies to the vote today for what has become the Democrat liberal party?

Then, after this diversion, we can consider your argument that the variable of religious affiliation is a more accurate predictor of voting than is demographics.


40 posted on 05/08/2014 12:15:34 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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