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To: Tao Yin
The easy things are easy. More complex things are less so.

Really? Christians can’t even agree on what the meaning of the word “is” is, or if water baptism is necessary for salvation.

Just because you believe the Pope can be infallible given the right situation, why do you extrapolate this to all situations? Why have blind faith in an earthly organization that is known to make mistakes?

We are all sinners. The Pope is only infallible certain situations, yes. Because that is what Scripture clearly says.

“And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Mat 6:18

Here Christ says his Church will not be destroyed.

“I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.” John 16:12-13

Here Christ says, and Paul reaffirms, that the Church will always teach the TRUTH.

I have absolute faith in the word of God, but I do not have absolute faith in anyone's interpretation. If something is wrong or askew, I question it. I learn, I pray, I grow. I will never get it 100% correct, just as my synod will never get it 100% correct.

But despite how many times “This is my body” shows up in Scripture, YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IT!!!!! You do NOT have absolute faith in the clear words of Scripture, but believe “Is” really means “represents” That is not absolute faith. That is believing what you want to believe, and ignoring the clear words of Scripture.

My foundation is the words of the prophets and the apostles with Jesus as the chief cornerstone.

This proves you do not believe Scripture, and just make up things or believe what someone else told you. This is what Scripture teaches is the ‘foundation of truth’:

“But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.” 1Tim 3:15

8 posted on 04/23/2014 8:02:06 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: FatherofFive
“I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.” John 16:12-13

Here Christ says, and Paul reaffirms, that the Church will always teach the TRUTH.

Were we reading the same verses? What you quoted is clearly about the holy spirit, not about the church.

Titus 1:9 "He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it."

Titus 2:15 "Declare these things; exhort and rebuke with all authority. Let no one disregard you."

The authority and command is given to individuals, not to an earthly organization.

But despite how many times “This is my body” shows up in Scripture, YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IT!!!!! You do NOT have absolute faith in the clear words of Scripture, but believe “Is” really means “represents” That is not absolute faith. That is believing what you want to believe, and ignoring the clear words of Scripture.

Wrong assumption. I do believe that IS means IS. The body and blood of Jesus is in, under, and with the wine and the bread. How is this possible? I do not know. It does not trouble me that my rational mind can not understand all of the truths of God.

My foundation is the words of the prophets and the apostles with Jesus as the chief cornerstone.

This proves you do not believe Scripture, and just make up things or believe what someone else told you.

I was referencing Ephesians 2:19-21 "So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord."

This is what Scripture teaches is the ‘foundation of truth’: “But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.” 1Tim 3:15

Poor translation. Only the NIV uses the word foundation. Other versions use buttress, bulwark, and support. We build on the foundation, which is the words of the prophets and apostles.

17 posted on 04/24/2014 11:38:45 AM PDT by Tao Yin
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