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China on Course to Become 'World's Most Christian Nation' Within 15 Years
The Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 4/19/14 | Tom Phillips

Posted on 04/20/2014 4:29:05 PM PDT by marshmallow

The number of Christians in Communist China is growing so steadily that it by 2030 it could have more churchgoers than America

It is said to be China's biggest church and on Easter Sunday thousands of worshippers will flock to this Asian mega-temple to pledge their allegiance – not to the Communist Party, but to the Cross.

The 5,000-capacity Liushi church, which boasts more than twice as many seats as Westminster Abbey and a 206ft crucifix that can be seen for miles around, opened last year with one theologian declaring it a "miracle that such a small town was able to build such a grand church".

The £8 million building is also one of the most visible symbols of Communist China's breakneck conversion as it evolves into one of the largest Christian congregations on earth.

"It is a wonderful thing to be a follower of Jesus Christ. It gives us great confidence," beamed Jin Hongxin, a 40-year-old visitor who was admiring the golden cross above Liushi's altar in the lead up to Holy Week.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Skeptics/Seekers
KEYWORDS: china; christian

1 posted on 04/20/2014 4:29:05 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
Per der leader...."whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation."

Christianity is growing in China....Russia is opposed to the gay/lesbian agenda....

and what are we doing here in the U.S....we're kicking God out of the public forum as fast as we can.

2 posted on 04/20/2014 4:34:35 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: marshmallow

There are people in jail right now, in China, for possessing bibles. The bible is one of the most smuggled items into China. Chinese officials routinely execute Christians for their temerity to hold something higher than the government. These are brave people.


3 posted on 04/20/2014 4:34:59 PM PDT by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of liberty only to see marxism elected at home.)
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To: marshmallow

Duplicate post. There was the setup with the usual fake title,...

More Christians in China than the USA?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3146502/posts
[Real title: China on course to become ‘world’s most Christian nation’ within 15 years]

...and the duplicate today. See how that works?

China is not free. Neither is Russia.


4 posted on 04/20/2014 4:48:50 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: marshmallow

And considering their population is three times ours plus and China about the size of the US too.


5 posted on 04/20/2014 4:52:13 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: familyop

So more Christians is a bad thing?


6 posted on 04/20/2014 5:10:56 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marshmallow

Our church has had a program to bring over seven Chinese college students per year to evangelize them. We have two boys right now from Yunnan Province. They very eagerly accept the Gospel. We know of many conversions.


7 posted on 04/20/2014 5:14:54 PM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: familyop

RE: China is not free. Neither is Russia.

And that is probably one FACTOR as to the growth of Christianity in China... for some reason I cannot explain, Christianity seems to grow under persecution.


8 posted on 04/20/2014 5:19:26 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: familyop

I talk to several Chinese students everyday on their version of Facebook known as WeChat, Weibo, or simply QQ. They are freer than you think. All of them hate communism and know that it is unsustainable, to use the liberal’s favorite word. As do their parents. Once they come over and see America themselves, they usually return highly depressed. Many of them become Christians. We give them Chinese / English bibles as presents and they won’t put them down. They want the words of hymns written down so they can sing them throughout the day.


9 posted on 04/20/2014 5:20:42 PM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: ronnyquest

“There are people in jail right now, in China, for possessing bibles. The bible is one of the most smuggled items into China. Chinese officials routinely execute Christians for their temerity to hold something higher than the government. These are brave people.”

Let me qualify what I am going to say with some credentials:
I lived in China proper and in Hong Kong for 12 years. My wife is Chinese and my PhD is from a Chinese university.

You can go to almost any book store in China and buy a Bible. They don’t put people in jail for reading the Bible there. In fact I have a good friend who became a Christian by reading a Bible that she checked out of the University of Beijing Library. There is no need to smuggle a Bible into China. (The Bible was part of a donation of books to the library from Bill Clinton after his re-election in 1997)

There are three reasons that people are arrested for smuggling Bibles into China.

1. It is illegal to bring any printed matter into China that was not printed in China unless you have special permission. You get the same jail sentence for taking the New York Times into China as a Bible. There is a famous case of a Hong Kong professor who took a scientific article on biology into China to show to a friend in Shanghai. Because the article was printed in Taiwan he was arrested and thrown in jail. It isn’t just Bibles taking any printed matter into China will get you in a lot of trouble.

2. All materials in China must be in the official “simplified” Chinese rather than the traditional Chinese that is used in Hong Kong, Singapore and Taiwan. This is sort of the same idea a the English first movement in the US

3.The churches are supposed to be self lead, self funded and self propagating. So it is the act of an outsider coming into the church that is an issue not necessarily their faith, lack there of or doctrinal positions. I know missionaries that regularly go into China and do legal work there. There are ways they can do it. Obeying the law in this case makes the communist less afraid of religion and provides an opportunity to minister to the cadres. Other times missionaries go into China as teachers or professionals and evangelize over dinner. (http://www.elic.org/)

This is not to say that that the PRC does not try to exert some control upon the churches. But for the most part they are free to preach and teach whatever they want.Look at the statement of faith about the Three Self Churches I’ve placed a link to below. The one area that I know of where there is significant interference in religion by the government is the issue with Catholic Priest being appointed from within the Chinese Patriotic Catholic Churches not from Rome.

The former Vice Premiere Wen Jai-Bao regularly attended Church with his wife but as a Communist party member was not allowed to call himself Christan.

There are three areas that I know where churches have a real problem in China.

One is that there are supposedly “foreigner churches” and local churches though I as a Westerner was never refused entry into a Three Self Church given the rule rules the legal churches work under it was sort of problematic. However, I was not a tourist and as a permanent resident of Hong Kong could be considered a citizen.

The second area the legal churches have problems is that they do not engage in the corruption that is endemic in the governmental. They refuse to pay the “Tea Money” (Bribes) to government officials to get to the front of the line and thus have a difficult time getting the building permits and other documents needed to build or renovate buildings

Third, which is similar to the first is that Churches stand against the corruption and lawlessness in Chinese society. They are persecuted at times because the powerful cadres don’t want to have their families charge for the cost a firing squad. It is the Christians in China, not the CCP that is taking the lead in ridding Chinese society of corruption and that make the government look bad serving the poor.

The Chinese Churches don’t need you to take them Bibles. They need you to setup a scholarship for Chinese Pastors to receive better training. They need you to set an example. They may at times need your money if you can legally get it to them (For example: Building a factory but setting the top floor aside that can be rented to the legal churches for a nominal rent) Most of all they need your prayers.

Do not assume that things that happened in the 1960’s and 1970’s are still true today. At least in the larger cities people in China are free to attend churches and the churches are free to preach the Gospel. At least that is what I have observed and experienced

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Self_Patriotic_Movement


10 posted on 04/20/2014 5:28:01 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: SeekAndFind

Agreed. My point was, as told to me by people from China, religion is very regulated there and can be dangerous for some.


11 posted on 04/20/2014 5:32:18 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Fai Mao

Amen, brother. Our church partnerships with Quijing Normal University in Yunnan Province. We have two students at our home right now. They are here for about six weeks but they will soon switch to another family. Our
church has had this program for about fifteen years. They are very eager to hear the Gospel and accept it.


12 posted on 04/20/2014 5:42:32 PM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: marshmallow

We attended the Beijing International Christian Fellowship during both of our trips to China.

It was simply amazing. There were people there from everywhere on the planet, some in their native garb. And it was PACKED.

A nice preview of Heaven.


13 posted on 04/20/2014 5:50:33 PM PDT by mom4melody
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To: Fai Mao
Ni Hao Ma ?

So in some points some have more freedom being a Christian in China than even here in the USA ?
How do the Christian Chinese fare with their government in speaking out against homosexuality in China compared to here in the USA ?
There are some foreign countries that are even sending missionaries to the USA.
I do know that ? The Christian Chinese here need English speaking people, white or Chinese to help teach the Chinese English.
How do I know this ? ask me in private.
14 posted on 04/20/2014 5:52:08 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: marshmallow

It is the most popular religion among those seeking religion in their lives in China.


15 posted on 04/20/2014 7:07:26 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: marshmallow

There is something very fearsome lurking here. This is that the Chinese government is very scared of Christianity, or what passes for it, and it has a very good *reason* to be afraid.

About the same time as the US Civil War, there were American missionaries in China. And one of them gave a religious tract to the wrong guy. A ridiculously charismatic madman.

His name was Hong Xiuquan, and he immediately convinced himself that he was “Jesus’ younger brother”. And then he convinced millions of other people the same thing.

And then he decided to overthrow the emperor, in what today is known as the Taiping Rebellion. And anywhere from 20 to 30 million people died, mostly from swords, pikes, arrows and some cannon. Battlefields where over five square miles you could not step on the ground because of the dead bodies.

That it had only the lightest veneer of anything to do with Christianity, since then, the Chinese governments have been very leery of too much Christianity.


17 posted on 04/20/2014 7:12:22 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: Fai Mao

Thank you for informed sanity on this thread and subject. I lived in China for 9 years, posted regularly on FR from China and attended church in China. There were people on here then telling me that was impossible.

As expats we set up our own Sunday service meetings that included some of the nationals that worked for us. The Shanghai authorities contacted us and said they would like us to meet at the church, not where we were meeting. They were not really asking. They told us.

We met at the local church at a time after the Chinese language services. What was interesting was seeing all the different Christian customs from people around the world.


18 posted on 04/20/2014 7:22:10 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: marshmallow

Praise God, while weeping for America.


19 posted on 04/20/2014 10:00:27 PM PDT by vpintheak (I will not comply!)
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To: ealgeone

It will be these countries and other nations with growing Christian communities which will send missionaries to the USA and the west to spread the good news of Jesus and the Gospel.


20 posted on 04/21/2014 3:01:55 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: SeekAndFind

You got it. When there is no freedom, Christanity grows at its best.


21 posted on 04/21/2014 3:03:45 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: marshmallow

If they are genuinely Christian in their deeds, this could be a good thing for civilization (especially as the West slides into post-modernist, post-religious, post-family decline)


22 posted on 04/21/2014 6:51:53 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: Fai Mao

Well, that is completely different from what I hear from missionaries. OK.


23 posted on 04/21/2014 9:04:54 AM PDT by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of liberty only to see marxism elected at home.)
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To: driftdiver
"So more Christians is a bad thing?"

The following was posted today. There's no religious freedom in China. That's what I was talking about.

Why Protestants are more popular than Catholics in China
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3152848/posts
"A recent claim by a US-based Chinese academic to London’s Telegraph newspaper – that China would have the largest Christian population in the world by 2030 – was not only exaggerated but also factually wrong."

24 posted on 05/06/2014 11:18:37 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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