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To: cloudmountain
Tell me, do non-Catholics believe in purgatory? It's the place where we are purged of all the sin and its effects.

Nope. Christ took our sins to the cross. If we put something like Purgatory in the mix we are telling Christ his sacrifice was insufficient. You wanna be the one to tell him that?

THEN we get to go to heaven, purged of all but grace.

We receive the full measure of grace when we accept Christ. It never diminishes. To say otherwise is tantamount to heresy.

8 posted on 04/18/2014 6:07:19 PM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: rjsimmon
If we put something like Purgatory in the mix we are telling Christ his sacrifice was insufficient.

Purgatory ___________________________________________________________

"Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come." -Jesus (Mat 12:32)
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And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection,

(For if he had not hoped that they that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead,)

And because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them.

It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins. (2 Maccabees 12:43-46)


9 posted on 04/18/2014 6:19:43 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: rjsimmon

Good points. The fundamental problem with the concept of Purgatory is that it is fails to recognize it is the New Man in us which is saved, not the old sin nature. Before our first death, God provides a mechanism through faith in Christ, for God the Holy Spirit to continually sanctify us, removing the scars in our souls from the old sin nature.

For Purgatory to have any value, it can only work to cleanse the Old Sin Nature, not the New Man.


13 posted on 04/19/2014 3:49:02 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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