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To: sitetest
My perspective was that the caucus label is meant to avoid disruption from OUTSIDERS, not internal disagreement when there are legitimate differences of opinion within the Catholic community here at FR.

That is correct.

Years ago there were complaints that the Orthodox, who were part of the "Catholic Caucus" at the time, were disrupting thread after thread. The caucus was then split into Catholic on the one hand and Orthodox on the other, but posters could combine the two on any thread by stipulating "Catholic/Orthodox Caucus." Several Orthodox posters became so indignant about it, they left the forum altogether.

Recently, traditionalists of various stripes have been disrupting Catholic Caucus threads and in a similar hashing session, the guidelines were changed to read as shown on post #8.

Perhaps the best solution is to scrap all of it and instead leave it to the poster of the article to be specific, or not.

19 posted on 03/21/2014 10:33:43 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator
Dear Religion Moderator,

The difference in the labels you describe actually mirror some external reality.

The Catholic Church and the various Orthodox Churches are not in formal communion with each other. This is objective reality. That lack of formal communion exists in part because the Orthodox do not think it's a good idea to have formal communion with the Catholic Church at this point. The objective reality is that the two sets of entities distinguish themselves from each other.

“Traditionalist” Catholic groups that aren't in communion with the Bishop of Rome are, well, not entirely Catholic, or in some anomalous state vis-a-vis the Church, at least in the view of the Church of Rome.

Although I'm against excluding SSPXers from Catholic Caucus threads (the pope said that the issue of the SSPX is an INTERNAL church issue), at least there is some objective reality onto which to hang the caucus label hat - their position is not canonically regularized.

But the FSSP?!?

The FSSP are NOT outsiders to the Catholic Church IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.

You seem to agree with this statement that I made:

“My perspective was that the caucus label is meant to avoid disruption from OUTSIDERS, not internal disagreement when there are legitimate differences of opinion within the Catholic community here at FR.”

Then, why would you exclude the FSSP or those who assist at FSSP Masses? They are NOT outsiders to the Catholic Church. What differences we may have between us are INTERNAL disagreements.


sitetest

20 posted on 03/21/2014 10:44:17 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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