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To be clear, Dr. Dudley never claims that Vatican II is not a valid Council as falsely stated by Dr. Taylor. He recognizes it was an Ecumenical Council but by its own terms one that acted like no other before it, as a “pastoral council.” As we shall see he does not advocate declaring it invalid but rather to follow a precedent of history he advocates the Church put aside this pastoral experiment and get back to what she had done for centuries. Never does Dr. Dudley call it an “invalid Council.”
1 posted on 03/06/2014 6:12:45 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I haven’t read the whole article yet, but I know from long experience reading CFN that it is a Feeneyite paper.


2 posted on 03/06/2014 6:33:55 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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Ok, just an observation here. Three thousand plus words here, and reads like securities trial motion hearing brief. Why do so many catholic things read this way? Every position of controversy seems to be accompanied by long dense tomes of research.

Is this a recent phenomenon? Where has the simplicity gone?


3 posted on 03/06/2014 6:34:58 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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Fisher More Refuses to “Censor” Her Faculty: Therefore Fisher More Shall have no more Mass.

Is the writer of this verbal hissy fit, Brian McCall, JD, a lawyer, a member of the pro-sodomy persuasion?

It seems odd for any real religious scholar to claim, even just by implication, that The Roman Catholic Universal Church is a democracy, subject to modification by random and arbitrary consensus and popular vote.

For me, the validity of a religious challenge is not proportional to the number of words used in the "argument."

If there is no clear understanding of right and wrong, and its susceptibility for arbitrary change, it can't be much of a religion.

4 posted on 03/06/2014 6:37:24 PM PST by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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” He then traces the origin of the single greatest attack on the family, divorce, to ideas originating in the Reformation.”

Yeah,,, God likes it better when you call divorce “annulment”. At least kids of divorce can know that they were born in wedlock, though it later ended in divorce. Kids of annulment are basically told they are little bastards, because their parents marriage was NEVER legitimate to begin with.

Classy.


5 posted on 03/06/2014 6:41:04 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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“Brian McCall, JD”

Juris Doctor,,,, answered my question. Lawyers really do screw up everything they touch. Id like a catholic sunday school teacher to explain this. I might not agree,, but at least I could follow his argument.


6 posted on 03/06/2014 6:43:15 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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I have some sympathies to FMC, but there is definitely some hyperventilating. Anyone who believes in the sacramental validity of the Post-Vatican mass couldn’t possibly call being required to use the Post-Vatican mass an “interdict.”


13 posted on 03/06/2014 7:48:46 PM PST by dangus
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Also, there is another option besides censorship here. Dr King could simply correct Dr. Dudley, or the false impression of those who the author believes have misinterpreted Dr Dudley. Simply asserting the validity of the post-Vatican mass and Vatican II would have “distanced” himself from the allegedly false understanding that Dr Taylor has.

As for Dr Taylor, I was highly suspicious when I first read Dr Taylor’s letter. He describes how everyone quit because Dr Dudley spent the endowment fund and proceeds from the sale of the college property on real estate, as if that’s somehow inherently shady. But that’s exactly what I would expect him to spend those funds ON: a new campus! Describing a new campus as a “real estate scheme” is shady, itself.

I think Dr Taylor has perhaps decided it’s best for his career options at mainstream, traditionally leftist colleges to distance himself from Dr Dudley and Dr King.


14 posted on 03/06/2014 7:57:50 PM PST by dangus
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Rather, he simply in a pure act of fiat legal positivism declared a de facto interdict by claiming the College was forbidden from the sacramental and liturgical life central to their publicly stated mission of being a Traditional Catholic College grounded in the Traditional Mass.

Canon law = "small-minded rules".

16 posted on 03/06/2014 8:35:41 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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So is CFM proudly declaring that the college refuses to comply with Apostolic Constitution Ex Corde Ecclesiae?

"Refusing to censor" sounds like a cry that would come out of a place like DePaul, Marymount, Georgetown, or Trinity, not out of a faithful, traditional educational institution.

17 posted on 03/07/2014 3:54:40 AM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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