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  1. “Miriam is the elect of Israel,” No. She was chosen by God and granted His grace to bear His son. Yes. She is of the royal family of Israel, physically and spiritually of Israel, is the mother of the Son of God, obeyed the Word of God, remained faithful even through the crucifixion, and was one with the Apostles. Of course she was the elect of Israel. No she is not the Mashiach; she is his mother physically and spiritually. For all our studies we can scarcely conceive of the reality of her faith and experience, and that by the Holy Spirit.
  2. Yet it is her lineage. It does reach back to Adam and Eve, unlike with Joseph's lineage. God chose to place the Holy Spirit in her in an unprecedented fashion.
  3. Yes, that is her in Revelation; she bore the Messiah. No one is going to separate her from Him.
  4. Yes it was because she believed and obeyed. That is true faith. Without obedience faith is not real. It is deceit. What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
  5. All believers are called to be saints. If they actually don't live as real saints is their faith illegitimate ?
  6. since women don’t rule in God’s economy. Men rule in God’s economy.

    I agree there are differences between Jews and Gentiles, bond and free, men and women on this earth, but do you not agree that beyond it there is no difference ? There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


222 posted on 02/20/2014 8:51:07 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: af_vet_1981

“Yes. She is of the royal family of Israel”

No.

“Yet it is her lineage. It does reach back to Adam and Eve, unlike with Joseph’s lineage.”

If you insist on making this about Mary, I point out to you that every human traces their lineage back to Adam and Eve. The point of including it was about Christ, not Mary.

“God chose to place the Holy Spirit in her in an unprecedented fashion.”

No. Unless you have a verse that proves it.

“Yes, that is her in Revelation; she bore the Messiah.”

No. It is Israel, who also bore Messiah in the figurative language used there.

“Yes it was because she believed and obeyed. That is true faith. Without obedience faith is not real. It is deceit.”

Obedience and works follow faith. She was chosen by God’s sovereign choice without merit on her part.


224 posted on 02/21/2014 6:35:19 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: af_vet_1981

“All believers are called to be saints. If they actually don’t live as real saints is their faith illegitimate ?”

ALL real saints have works that follow.

“since women don’t rule in God’s economy. Men rule in God’s economy.
I agree there are differences between Jews and Gentiles, bond and free, men and women on this earth, but do you not agree that beyond it there is no difference ?”

There are no women ruling in heaven. God uses men. Why? We do not know. God Himself calls Himself the Father. Not the Mother. It is His choice and His creation here or there.


225 posted on 02/21/2014 6:37:29 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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