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To: CTrent1564; Greetings_Puny_Humans
So there are clear examples of the Primacy of the Church of Rome in the late 1st and 2nd century.

How do you know any of it is true???

The Pseudo-Isidorian Decretals, along with certain fictitious letters ascribed to early popes, from Clement to Gregory the Great, were incorporated in a ninth-century collection of canons purporting to have been made by the pseudonymous Isidore Mercator. Collections of canons were commonly made by adding new matter to old; the forger of the Pseudo-Isidore collection took as the basis of his work a quite genuine collection, Hispana Gallica Augustodunensis, and interpolated his forgeries among the genuine material that supplied credibility by association. The official Liber pontificalis was used as a historical guide and furnished some of the subject matter. The Pseudo-Isidorian collection also includes the earlier (non-Pseudo-Isidorian) forgery, the Donation of Constantine.

And yes of course, the Donation of Constantine...Your Catholic history is rife with forgeries....

Ignatius, Justin Martyr, and who knows who else???

87 posted on 02/10/2014 10:21:49 PM PST by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: Iscool

Iscool:

The Psuedo-Isidorian Decretals and all you site is really not relevant. All it shows is there was a 9th century forged set of documents made by the pseudonymous Isidore
Mercator. It was the Catholic Church itself that realized they were forgies and the Newadvent Catholic site provides the most detailed information on the False Decretals

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05773a.htm

So yes those are forged, I have never made claim they were not and have never used them here. That does not therefore, that everything written prior to the 9th century was also a forgery now does it.

When I cite a Church Father, I generally only cite one whose letters are accepted as genuine by Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants. For example, Ignatius of Antioch’ 7 extant Letters and Justin’s Apology are now universally accepted [were always with Catholics and Orthodox], even among confessional protestant Patristic scholars, as both of them contained such a strong witness to a Catholicity already present in the late 1st and 2nd century. All of the 19th century Protestant Patristic Scholars, Lightfoot, Harnack, Zahn, Funk and Schaff did not dispute their authenticity.

If you start going down that road, how do you know St. Paul wrote the letters he wrote. I take it on the authority of the Catholic Church that NT epistles are of apostolic origin. As for the Patristic Fathers, I take it on the same authority, although I weight the evidence based on scholarship that has been done on the Church Fathers among all 3 major branches of Christendom, Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church and the work of the “Confessional Protestant Patristic Scholars” like the ones I cited above and more recently, the likes of Rev. Henry Chadwick, Anglican Patristic Scholar who taught at Cambridge and Oxford and published the Penguin series on the History of the Early Church and the American Patristic Scholar, J. Pelikan, who wrote a 5 volume set on the Development of Christian Doctrine [I have Volume 1 and 2 and have read both] who when he wrote that series, was a Lutheran, but later in his life he entered the Eastern Orthodox Church..


89 posted on 02/11/2014 5:40:48 AM PST by CTrent1564
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