Posted on 02/07/2014 3:12:01 AM PST by markomalley
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Msgr Pope ping (a continuation from yesterday’s reflection)
By what I have seen, this teaching applies a lot in regards to women who are married. What about those women who are single and are a part of their parishes. This also applies to them too?
Yet the sweet irony of it all is that, Paul in addressing the Galations also says, “neither there is Jew or Greek, slave or free, male or female.”
Nice message but..when Catholic schools and books, approved by the Bishops, are teaching little children that Adam and Eve are a Myth on the same level as the Easter bunny, its a struggle.
Ping!
This is an excellent reflection in my opinion.
First, Paul does highlight a distinction between the sins of Adam and Eve. Basically, Eve was deceived and Adam just flat out disobeyed. Eve could hide behind a sin of ignorance, and Adam could not. The reason for that might well have been her beauty. I’ve thought as well that it might have been his protective nature....if she’s going down then so am I. In other words, he sided with her despite the cost.
This would explain in some measure God’s subjecting her to him. One would think it would be the other way around: deceived versus rebellion. Even though Adam was culpable, he was culpable in the way a starving man is culpable for stealing bread to feed his family.
I also liked his point about female led churches being more likely to be moving toward apostasy.
This comports with the churches of Pergamum and Thyratira in Revelation’s “Letters to the Churches”.
I agree with him, pretty much.
However, reflection along these lines ... “feminine beauty and mystique” ... can easily lead to the Moslem position: that men are controlled by sexual lust to such an extent that women, simply because they exist, are responsible for all men’s actions.
It should perhaps be noted that the enmity between the woman and Satan (Genesis 3:15) gives the woman in our life a special defensive role. And indeed, as I look around myself I see women, rather than men, to be the guardians of the moral content of the family life.
....And often the women have to teach the men the right words, I have to often help my parish pastor out with that as well.
Agreed. It is thoughtful. But it’s extraneous, too. The sin for both unarguably is disobedience, a fault (never mind SIN) nearly extinct today even from the Catholic pulpit.
Regardless of Adam’s fellowship (with Eve) and Eve’s credulity (if that’s all it was, and I don’t believe that’s all it was), both failed to observe God’s lone stricture.
And that Roman Catholic explanation (disobedience) vies with most if not all protestant rationales. Probably for good reason: disobedience couldn’t be THE Original Sin, because their break with Catholicism, their failure to obey, would have mirrored the first, and arguably most significant, sin. So their contention is that the first sin had something to do with sex, with lust or weakness of the flesh, avarice, and, in some cases, even with marital procreation. Not obedience. Which is strange. Obedience does and must suffuse all “religion,” or it couldn’t be termed religion, from the Latin “to bind.”
Can you talk with your priest and/or bishop about these text books?
Bump that and thank you.
I believe it goes deeper than that--and this is why the Fall is so bad:
Adam knew Eve had just sinned. I bet the thoughts in his mind at the time is that Eve was going to die--either spiritually or physically. So he chose to be with eve rather than God.
Adam consciously forsook God and abandoned Him. That was his sin.
Out of which feminist "egalitarians" extrapolate positional gender equality. Not .
Can you talk with your priest and/or bishop about these text books?
Why talk with them (besides the utter absence of any NY pastors being distinctively titled "priests" by the Holy Spirit), when this and the like has been taught for decades in sanctioned NAB notes ?
When i was a weekly mass going Catholic and CCD teacher, i was enrolled in a teachers program (circa 1980), and in one of the classes it was asked of the instructor which Bible class (out of 3) one should choose. The answer: "If you think Adam and Eve were literal people then you need to choose the beginners course."
Either by restricting personal Bible reading or impugns its supreme authority by liberal revisionism, it still serves the purpose of giving Scripture a second class status under an autocratic authority.
That’s a good take on it, too.
The difficulty is that there’s limited information.
What we do know is that something about it subjugated Eve to Adam, and specifically had sin transmit from Adam.
A little adaptation, with no irreverence meant toward the Word of God, but how it can apply to today in the ideological sense.
The first "Occupy movement," and "Share the wealth" demand: "For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:" (Isaiah 14:13)
And the socialist liberal was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made, And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?...God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil
He has no right to that reserve that power to Himself, to give it to those he decides, as well as to occupy His throne alone, and to reward only faith-overcomers to sit with Him. (cf. Rv. 3:21) He is treating you unjustly. He needs to share the wealth, and you need to occupy His position by rejecting His principles of righteousness, grace and recompense. Always remind deceive yourself that you are a victim!
And the woman, being deceived, saw that the tree was good for food, to satisfy her lust for the best food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, so that all others would admire her for her external appearance, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, so she could be the proud intellectual elite others would reverence, then she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat. And then she gave it unto her husband with her; and he did eat, not wanting to split the vote, though he knew better. (Genesis 3:6)
Thus by one man leftist liberalism entered into the world, and death by its policies, and so death passed upon all classes of babes and men.
Close but needs improvement.
Very deep. Good post.
Already talked to the person running the program who did seem “concerned” but thats as far as it got. Will be meeting with the pastor to discuss further.
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