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Maybe it was with the purpose of getting back to the “roots” of the Church, to the early Church.


10 posted on 02/01/2014 3:49:05 PM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

That was the purpose of VC II?

Instead of “getting back to the roots”, VC II dug up the roots of the Church and turned them over as mulch for New Church.


13 posted on 02/01/2014 6:04:56 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: Biggirl; piusv; ebb tide; savagesusie

I have no doubt that you are a well-meaning individual that dearly loves our Catholic Church, but I would strongly and respectively suggest that you learn what our bishops have done to it. Compare the Vatican II Catholic Church of today (the “Church of Nice”), to the Catholic Church of the first 20 Councils whose mission was to “lead all mankind to salvation”. If you did you would not be writing as you do.

The pope and bishops of today have all but abandoned preaching about the evil of sin. They focus exclusively on social justice, the mercy of God, and the redistribution of wealth. Do you not see that? Do you not realize that this pope and these bishops no longer profess the dogmatic truths of the Catholic Church? Talk to other Catholics and ask them about our Church. They know nothing about the faith.

It was understandable why the faithful dutifully went along with the “changes” in the 1960‘s without a whimper. They believed they were being told the truth. Up until that time, the Church had always spoken with one voice, and they always spoke the truth. The faithful were taught that there was only one true Church and that all other religions were false––all other religions. Period. That is not what they hear today.

The bishops, at the time, ordered all Catholic newspapers to either print what they were told or cease being a voice for the Church. Virtually all did. Those that refused were banished. The national media was completely in sync with the progressive views of the the Second Vatican Council and they only reported the modernist/liberal point of view. If Catholics even realized there was a Council going on, they never understood there was any opposition to it at all. Surely, you must be aware of how capable the secular press is at doing that sort of thing. As a result, most all, at the time, were fooled.

But when the internet came along in the 1990‘s, those who saw things going so wrong in our Church and our society made the effort to read about what had really happened in the 1960‘s. They learned that great men like Cardinal Ottaviani and Archbishop Lefebvre and many others were simply ignored at the time. Most Catholics never heard of those men until long after they had died, and even today they are pilloried by the liberal media and the Modernist bishops.

Curious Catholics also learned that the Council, which should never have been called at all, was hijacked by the Modernists and they did everything they possibly could to subvert the Church into the Protestant domain that it is with their ecumenism, nostra aetate, redefinition of religious liberty and much more.

But while it may be somewhat understandable as to why there was not the pushback from the faithful Catholics at that time, there is no excuse today. The internet has truly “opened the windows” to the Church for all who would make the effort to read about our Catholic faith. Faithful Catholics should make that effort.

So repeat, if you wish, those the empty nonsensical statements that our Modernist bishops feed to the foolish in the pews today, but understand that you are subscribing, not to the theology of St Thomas Aquinas, and not to the sacred teachings of almost every pope that lived before John XXIII, but to the Modernist teachings of men who you probably haven’t even heard of like Henri de Lubac, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, Hans Urs von Balthasar, Yves Congar Karl Rahner, and the list could go on.

The woes of the Church, our government and our society may all be tied directly back to the Modernist bishops of today who have abandoned their flock and are following the Modernist teachings of the Second vatican Council. A word to the wise should be sufficient.


19 posted on 02/02/2014 8:51:31 AM PST by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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To: Biggirl
Maybe it was with the purpose of getting back to the “roots” of the Church, to the early Church.

Pope Pius XII condemned antiquarianism.

63 posted on 02/04/2014 8:32:06 PM PST by ELS
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