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Verdict on Medjugorje nears as Commission claims apparitions are “no hoax” [Catholic Caucus]
Vatican Insider ^ | January 19, 2014

Posted on 01/20/2014 5:40:28 AM PST by NYer


The Medjugorje inquiry commission has concluded its work

The dossier on the alleged apparitions of the Virgin Mary at Medjugorje has been passed on to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. The verdict could be positive albeit partial but no concrete decision has yet been reached

Giacomo Galeazzi - ANDREA TORNIELLI

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A verdict on the Medjugorje apparitions is not far off. The Mejugorje inquiry commission which was set up in March 2010 and is chaired by Cardinal Camillo Ruini has concluded its work. Fr. Federico Lombardi confirmed that the commission held its last meeting on Friday and the results of the inquiry will now be examined by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith headed by the Prefect Gerhard Müller.

All the material gathered, the interviews with the seers and many other witnesses, the stories told by the various people involved, expert reports and theological reflections on the messages, has been summarised in one final report and passed on to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith for a careful evaluation. The report will be studied alongside other documentation which the Congregation has gathered over the course of the years.


Vatican Insider has learnt that the Commission has focused mainly on the first phase of apparitions. There is apparently no proof of any tricks, hoaxes or abuse of popular credulity. However, it is proving difficult for the Church to form a definitive verdict on the supernatural nature of a phenomenon that is ongoing.

 

Of the six seers who reported apparitions in June 1981, when they were still children or in their teens, three claim that they still see daily apparitions of the “Queen of Peace” at the same time every afternoon, wherever they happen to be at the time. These seers are: Vicka (who lives in Medjugorje), Marija (who lives in Monza) and Ivan (who lives in the US but returns to his homeland often). A fourth seer, Mirjana, sees an apparition on the second day of each month.

The large volume of messages going round poses a problem for the Commission. As does the forecasting of supernatural signs and secrets which the seers have refused to share, even with Church authorities.

Some of the Commission’s members have highlighted the need for a change of pace in the provision of pastoral care to millions of faithful who come to Medjugorje from all over the world. The Commission and Cardinal Ruini himself thanks to visits by people close to him have noticed that people really are converting to the faith or returning to the sacraments – what the Church refers to as spiritual fruits –  in a significant way.


But this alone does not a decision on the part of the Church with regard to the supernatural nature of the apparitions. In fact, over the past few months, Prefect Müller has cautioned bishops in the US to keep a close eye on meetings held by Medjugorje seers. These are often public meetings with lots of apparitions on the agenda. During last 14 November’s mass in St. Martha’s House, the Pope very eloquently said that Mary is a Mother "not a postmaster of the post office sending out messages every day." These words were addressed to those who continuously communicate messages and prophesies about the future.


The Bishop of Mostar, Ratko Peric, who also serves Medjugorje, is notoriously sceptical about the phenomenon, as was his predecessor. Then there is the age-long problem of the relations between the diocesan clergy and the Franciscan friars of Herzegovina at the time of the apparitions. A couple of solutions proposed in the recent past,  have been to restore the old diocese of Trebinje  so as to remove Medjugorje from the territory of the Mostar diocese or to create a Marian shrine that would be managed by a rector from another diocese.


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1 posted on 01/20/2014 5:40:29 AM PST by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

CATHOLIC CAUCUS


2 posted on 01/20/2014 5:41:07 AM PST by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: NYer
There is apparently no proof of any tricks, hoaxes or abuse of popular credulity.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

3 posted on 01/20/2014 5:43:38 AM PST by Tax-chick (I don't want to set the world on fire.)
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To: Tax-chick
Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

It is however sufficient to vindicate the googooheads. I will end up talking myself out of the caucus if Medj gets the green light.

4 posted on 01/20/2014 5:53:49 AM PST by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: NYer

I think some of the prejudice against the apparitions stems more from an historical perspective rather than the veracity of the seers. Many people point to the role the local Franciscans may have played in support of the Nazi puppet regime during WW II. This I believe clouds whether the apparitions are real or not. And of course, diocesans and religious orders have always had their pissing contests.


5 posted on 01/20/2014 5:55:33 AM PST by brooklyn dave ( Dante DiBlasio's Afro for President)
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To: Legatus; NYer
I have no strong interest either way, in the apparition. We're Guadalupanos at our house ;-).

The process is interesting, though, as is the reportage. For example, this headline says "Commission claims apparitions are 'no hoax'," while the text says, "no proof it's a hoax." Big difference.

6 posted on 01/20/2014 5:58:13 AM PST by Tax-chick (I don't want to set the world on fire.)
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To: Tax-chick

Not very ringing, but it’s the most ringing endorsement possible, however, since the Church will not judge it authentic as long as the messages persist. And provisioning for pilgrims is a reversal of Muller, while Ruini’s observance of spiritual fruits is an absolute slapdown to the scandal-mongerers.


7 posted on 01/20/2014 6:00:29 AM PST by dangus
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To: NYer

Here is a blog which follows up to date and in depth info on the Commission.

http://te-deum.blogspot.com/


8 posted on 01/20/2014 6:02:13 AM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: dangus

Thanks, that’s informative.


9 posted on 01/20/2014 6:03:55 AM PST by Tax-chick (I don't want to set the world on fire.)
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To: Legatus

I am thinking of walking away from Ministry if it gets a green light.


10 posted on 01/20/2014 6:05:15 AM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Legatus

Have you ever been there?

I haven’t, but several friends, one a priest, have been there numerous times. Their stories are fascinating.


11 posted on 01/20/2014 6:09:45 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: fatima

My wife just said if the Blessed Mother is that banal we have serious problems. I agree.


12 posted on 01/20/2014 6:17:27 AM PST by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: Salvation

I haven’t been, but that’s like asking me if I’ve ever taken a voluntary trip to hell.


13 posted on 01/20/2014 6:20:03 AM PST by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: Legatus

The writer for this article is very pro Medjugorje and has been slapped down before.


14 posted on 01/20/2014 6:22:00 AM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: fatima
The writer for this article is very pro Medjugorje and has been slapped down before.

Well that's a relief, hopefully he got it wrong again.

15 posted on 01/20/2014 6:23:38 AM PST by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: Legatus

It’s called spin.I think the main question for the Commission is-what to do with all the souls that go there.If the Pope speaks on this or it is leaked to the Press it will be a negative.


16 posted on 01/20/2014 6:34:02 AM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: NYer
"However, it is proving difficult for the Church to form a definitive verdict on the supernatural nature of a phenomenon that is ongoing."

I think it's in fact impossible to do so.

Call me skeptical.

17 posted on 01/20/2014 6:35:02 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Point of interest.)
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To: fatima

bookmark


18 posted on 01/20/2014 6:37:35 AM PST by GOP Poet
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To: fatima
The writer for this article is very pro Medjugorje and has been slapped down before.

I don't doubt it. There is always soemthing "about to come out". Years ago, I was told by supporters that the matter was taken out of Bishop of Mostar Zanic's hands by the Vatican. I asked where this was stated.

"It's a secret!"

"Then how do you know?"

The abuse that the good Bishop of Mostar was subjected to was enough to put me off.

Dr. E. Micahel Jones' work on the matter for (defunct) Fidelity Magazine and later in two books showed plenty of problems, including self-contradiction and lies by the purported "seers". Or in the words of Vicka: "What I said did not exactly correspond to the truth."
19 posted on 01/20/2014 6:39:26 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (“The only thing that can save us is if Kerry wins the Nobel prize and leaves us alone.”-Moshe Yaal)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Interesting!


20 posted on 01/20/2014 6:41:06 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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