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To: roamer_1

****one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.****

Are you saying that all of the law was not fulfilled by Christ?

Also at the time he spoke, the law was not fulfilled yet. Was he admonishing the crowd to continue in the current format until he completed his work?

Look carefully at your bold section. Notice that the warning he gives is to the status in heaven. Is he saying that after I complete my work you who are teaching that the law is now already not in effect can still be in heaven?

In my opinion this was a stop gap measure by Christ to stop any premature conclusions from having people decide to live as if he had completed his mission and then die before he could do so therefore still rendering them under the law.

Notice that he did not say the people who taught the breaking of the commandments before he completed his work were false teachers. Perhaps premature and to be forgiven and let into the kingdom, but warned that it would cost them.


21 posted on 01/07/2014 5:28:13 PM PST by ResponseAbility (The truth of liberalism is the stupid can feel smart, the lazy entitled, and the immoral unashamed)
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To: ResponseAbility

“Are you saying that all of the law was not fulfilled by Christ?”

Bingo. Paul explains this very thing in Hebrews, that Christ, the perfect priest, was able to fulfill the ritual obligations perfectly, once and for all, on the cross. Now that they have been fulfilled, there is no more need for the ineffective machinations of imperfect, earthly priests. The law has been satisfied, not annulled.


22 posted on 01/07/2014 5:55:38 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: ResponseAbility
Are you saying that all of the law was not fulfilled by Christ?

As you are defining law, yes. As an example, the Holy Days of YHWH have a prophetic purpose - That is what they are for - The notion behind moedim (Holy Days) is something like 'rehearsals'...Yeshua fulfilled the purpose of the Spring Feasts, but the Fall Feasts remain. And lets not forget that the Prophets are included in the statement as needing to be fulfilled too - and the Prophets extend into the Millennial Reign - So most decidedly all is not fulfilled. And as to those Holy Days passing away once fulfilled, the prophets deny that outright, as the whole world will do Torah and keep the Holy Days (and the Sabbath) in the Kingdom. Read Isaiah and Ezekiel.

Also at the time he spoke, the law was not fulfilled yet. Was he admonishing the crowd to continue in the current format until he completed his work?

Then why make the declaration at all, and leave confusion in the centuries to follow? No, it is an explicit statement, backed up throughout the New Covenant. And the words of the Master cannot be trumped by the disciple.

Look carefully at your bold section. Notice that the warning he gives is to the status in heaven. Is he saying that after I complete my work you who are teaching that the law is now already not in effect can still be in heaven?

The statement is precise. Do Torah. Do you suppose He wasn't speaking to generations to come? Why is it that the disciples keep Torah after the fact of the cross? Notice though that Torah is not a matter of salvation, but reward... As it has always been.

In my opinion this was a stop gap measure by Christ to stop any premature conclusions from having people decide to live as if he had completed his mission and then die before he could do so therefore still rendering them under the law.

Then He sets up his disciples to override what He explicitly declared - Making them false disciples to declare other than what their Master gave them. That cannot be true. Like Torah, the Hebrew sense of 'disciple' is a stricter sense than you seem to imply - A disciple would never add to or take away from what his Master said. the whole idea of a Talmudim is perfect emulation of the life of the Master.

Notice that he did not say the people who taught the breaking of the commandments before he completed his work were false teachers. Perhaps premature and to be forgiven and let into the kingdom, but warned that it would cost them.

That is at odds with the time spent excoriating the Pharisees at every turn for doing exactly that - making the Word of YHWH null...

28 posted on 01/07/2014 8:25:01 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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