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To: NYer

Rush is a spiritual infant and economic fool when it comes to genuine Love of neighbor . The Pope is not forcing anyone, he is only asking for people to reach out for social justice to abandon themselves for the less fortunate in a SELF giving manor without expecting any reward.

This fool(Rush) loves an idea that Capitalism is God unto itself.

There are many good things I like about Rush, but sadly I feel this will end up being his demise


28 posted on 11/27/2013 3:06:38 PM PST by tekakwitha
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To: tekakwitha
There are many good things I like about Rush, but sadly I feel this will end up being his demise

Oh, brother.

33 posted on 11/27/2013 3:19:34 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (We're At That Awkward Stage: It's too late to vote them out, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: tekakwitha
he is only asking for people to reach out for social justice to abandon themselves for the less fortunate in a SELF giving manor without expecting any reward

No, the Pope is not talking about individual charity; he is bashing an economic system i.e. free markets.

Too bad because free markets are the best economic system in the world for helping the poor. To NOT have a free market is to consign the poor to more misery.

35 posted on 11/27/2013 3:21:52 PM PST by what's up
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To: tekakwitha

What the Pope wrote, per the Vatican:

“While the earnings of a minority are growing exponentially, so too is the gap separating the majority from the prosperity enjoyed by those happy few. This imbalance is the result of ideologies which defend the absolute autonomy of the marketplace and financial speculation. Consequently, they reject the right of states, charged with vigilance for the common good, to exercise any form of control. A new tyranny is thus born, invisible and often virtual, which unilaterally and relentlessly imposes its own laws and rules. Debt and the accumulation of interest also make it difficult for countries to realize the potential of their own economies and keep citizens from enjoying their real purchasing power. To all this we can add widespread corruption and self-serving tax evasion, which have taken on worldwide dimensions. The thirst for power and possessions knows no limits. In this system, which tends to devour everything which stands in the way of increased profits, whatever is fragile, like the environment, is defenseless before the interests of a deified market, which become the only rule... With this in mind, I encourage financial experts and political leaders to ponder the words of one of the sages of antiquity: “Not to share one’s wealth with the poor is to steal from them and to take away their livelihood. It is not our own goods which we hold, but theirs”.

” Welfare projects, which meet certain urgent needs, should be considered merely temporary responses...We can no longer trust in the unseen forces and the invisible hand of the market. Growth in justice requires more than economic growth, while presupposing such growth: it requires decisions, programmes, mechanisms and processes specifically geared to a better distribution of income, the creation of sources of employment and an integral promotion of the poor which goes beyond a simple welfare mentality. I am far from proposing an irresponsible populism, but the economy can no longer turn to remedies that are a new poison, such as attempting to increase profits by reducing the work force and thereby adding to the ranks of the excluded.

205. I ask God to give us more politicians capable of sincere and effective dialogue aimed at healing the deepest roots – and not simply the appearances – of the evils in our world! Politics, though often denigrated, remains a lofty vocation and one of the highest forms of charity, inasmuch as it seeks the common good.[174] We need to be convinced that charity “is the principle not only of micro-relationships (with friends, with family members or within small groups) but also of macro-relationships (social, economic and political ones)”.[175] I beg the Lord to grant us more politicians who are genuinely disturbed by the state of society, the people, the lives of the poor! It is vital that government leaders and financial leaders take heed and broaden their horizons, working to ensure that all citizens have dignified work, education and healthcare...

... Indeed, it is becoming increasingly difficult to find local solutions for enormous global problems which overwhelm local politics with difficulties to resolve. If we really want to achieve a healthy world economy, what is needed at this juncture of history is a more efficient way of interacting which, with due regard for the sovereignty of each nation, ensures the economic well-being of all countries, not just of a few.”

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html


I hate to break it to you, but he is calling for government and politicians to use their power to make things fair. And he is also calling for one government to do it:

“what is needed at this juncture of history is a more efficient way of interacting which, with due regard for the sovereignty of each nation, ensures the economic well-being of all countries, not just of a few.”


48 posted on 11/27/2013 4:02:51 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: tekakwitha
Please actually read what your infantile mystic has written:

“In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world,” Pope Francis wrote.

“This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system,” the 76-year-old pontiff added.

These statements are completely heretical: they are errant nonsense, coming from a man who is clearly an economic child. Rush is right, and those defending these statements are mistaken.

"Trickle down" was, is, and always will be nothing more than a commie slander on the idea of supply side economics, and the mere use of this phrase clearly marks the person writing it as no better than a fool.

These comments show it is the pope himself who has a crude and naive understanding of economics, when he speaks of the insufficiency of free markets in one breath while decrying those who "wield economic power" in the next. Free markets don't give economic power to anyone, they empower all equally, and this mystics comments to the contrary not withstanding, it is only free market capitalism and rising prosperity that have ever offered any hope to the poor.

You can spin the rest of what he says as "out of context," but these words are clear and no context is needed. If he were advocating the responsibility of charity for those with means, he need not have made these gratuitous remarks which directly confront the Austrian School and its conservative and libertarian descendents, which has forgotten more about economics in one day than the Society of Jesus has learned in its entire history. Jesuit writings on economics have been damaging to the cause of liberty throughout the world, and the pope continues in that tradition.

69 posted on 11/27/2013 5:05:19 PM PST by FredZarguna (The sequel, thoroughly pointless, derivative, and boring was like all James Cameron "films.")
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To: tekakwitha

You were correct in your analysis.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3096201/posts

Read what it really says. Don’t believe the lamestream media.


70 posted on 11/27/2013 5:09:51 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: tekakwitha

Oh, really?

Then why is he talking about “the right of states, charged with vigilance for the common good, to exercise any form of control”?

Apparently, somewhere along the line, this Pope missed the hundreds of millions slaughtered by, and the utter poverty and misery perpetrated by “the state.” In the name of the common good, of course.

The invisible hand of the market has done a hell of a lot better than the average state in helping people out of poverty.


84 posted on 11/28/2013 3:36:55 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: tekakwitha

Capitalism is a morality-neutral system, it can be a force for good, or a force for bad....depends on the people within the system.

Whereas, Socialism or any centralized political and economic system is inherently evil.


93 posted on 11/28/2013 11:12:37 AM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp.)
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