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To: Gamecock

I wish the author defined what a Catholic University is. Does the author mean Notre Dame, Georgetown, etc. If so, then the results are not suprising.


2 posted on 11/27/2013 6:01:26 AM PST by impimp
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To: impimp
Followed the first link and it didn't say.

More about the author of the study:

Donna Freitas received her Ph.D. from Catholic University, and is presently an assistant professor of religion at Boston University. Her extensive research into romance and sexuality on religious and secular college campuses led to the book, Sex and the Soul: Juggling Sexuality, Spirituality, Romance and Religion on America's College Campuses. Donna has written for The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, Christian Century, and Christianity Today. She also writes fiction, and her newest piece, This Gorgeous Game, will be available in May

6 posted on 11/27/2013 6:05:10 AM PST by Gamecock (If you like your constitution, you can keep your constitution. Period. (M.S.))
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To: impimp
I wish the author defined what a Catholic University is. Does the author mean Notre Dame, Georgetown, etc. If so, then the results are not suprising.

Likewise it would have been useful to know which Christian colleges were selected.

However, the mindset he describes fits with the Christian colleges I know, as well as the Evangelical churches I've attended, which provide the students at the Christian colleges.

When Christ is the focus of your life, everything in your life comes under His scrutiny and is considered in light of how it affects your relationship with Him.

8 posted on 11/27/2013 6:08:15 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: impimp; restornu
I wish the author defined what a Catholic University is.

Are there a LOT of MORMON universities?

Or just one: BYU?


What is your church doing to help the male to stay true?
 




prophet kimball"All of this should be conveyed without having priesthood leaders focus upon intimate matters which are a part of husband and wife relationships. Skillful interviewing and counseling can occur without discussion of clinical details by placing firm responsibility on individual members of the Church to put their lives in order before exercising the privilege of entering a house of the Lord. The First Presidency has interpreted oral sex as constituting an unnatural, impure, or unholy practice. If a person is engaged in a practice which troubles him enough to ask about it, he should discontinue it."
- Official Declaration of the First Presidency of the Church, January 5th, 1982


spencer kimball"Prophets anciently and today condemn masturbation. It induces feelings of guilt and shame. It is detrimental to spirituality. It indicates slavery to the flesh, not that mastery of it and the growth toward godhood which is the object of our mortal life. Our modern prophet has indicated that no young man should be called on a mission who is not free from this practice. What is more, it too often leads to grievous sin, even to that sin against nature, homosexuality. For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual masturbation-practiced with another person of the same sex and thence into total homosexuality...."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Pages 77-79, 81-82

"Among the most common sexual sins our young people commit are necking and petting. Not only do these improper relations often lead to fornication, [unwed] pregnancy, and abortions - all ugly sins - but in and of themselves they are pernicious evils, and it is often difficult for youth to distinguish where one ends and another begins. They awaken lust and stir evil thoughts and sex desires. They are but parts of the whole family of related sins and indiscretions. Almost like twins, 'petting' and fornication are alike."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 65


spencer kimball"Also far-reaching is the effect of the loss of chastity. Once given or taken or stolen it can never be regained. Even in a forced contact such as rape or incest, the injured one is greatly outraged. If she has not cooperated and contributed to the foul deed, she is of course in a more favorable position. There is no condemnation where there is no voluntary participation. It is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle."
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Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 196


"And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth." (Genesis 4:9-14.) That was true of murder. It is also true of illicit sex, which, of course, includes all petting, fornication, adultery, homosexual acts, and all other perversions. The Lord may say to offenders, as He did to Cain, "What hast thou done?" The children thus conceived make damning charges against you; the companions who have been frustrated and violated condemn you; the body that has been defiled cries out against you; the spirit which has been dwarfed convicts you. You will have difficulty throughout the ages in totally forgiving yourself."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965. Often-used quote still used today in LDS seminary classes.


kimball"I do not find in the Bible the modern terms "petting" nor "homosexuality," yet I found numerous scriptures which forbade such acts under by whatever names they might be called. I could not find the term "homosexuality," but I did find numerous places where the Lord condemned such a practice with such vigor that even the death penalty was assessed."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965


"If adultery or fornication justified the death penalty in the old days, and still in Christ's day, is the sin any less today because the laws of the land do not assess the death penalty for it? Is the act less grievous? There must be a washing, a purging, a changing of attitudes, a correcting of appraisals, a strengthening toward self-mastery. There must be many prayers, and volumes of tears. There must be an inner conviction giving to the sin its full diabolical weight. There must be increased devotion and much thought and study. And this takes energy and time and often is accompanied with sore embarrassment, heavy deprivations and deep trials, even if indeed one is not excommunicated from the Church, losing all spiritual blessings."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Page 155


"How like the mistletoe is immorality. The killer plant starts with a sticky sweet berry. Little indiscretions are the berries -- indiscretions like sex thoughts sex discussions, passionate kissing, pornography. The leaves and little twigs are masturbation and necking and such, growing with every exercise. The full-grown plant is petting and sex looseness. It confounds, frustrates, and destroys like the parasite if it is not cut out and destroyed, for, in time it robs the tree, bleeds its life, and leaves it barren and dry; and, strangely enough, the parasite dies with its host."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, General Conference Address, April 1, 1967.

57 posted on 11/27/2013 10:50:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: impimp; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; smvoice; Greetings_Puny_Humans; ...
I wish the author defined what a Catholic University is. Does the author mean Notre Dame, Georgetown, etc. If so, then the results are not suprising.

While TRCs (tradtional RCs) respond to the abundance of stats showing evangelicals as far more conservative and unified than their Catholic counterparts by relegating them to being CINOs, the problem with that is that Rome treats them as members in life and on death.

What can be argued is that modern evangelicalism was a reactionary movement against liberalism (and before that against institutionalization) - including the manner of liberal scholarship seen in the NB commentary on the Vatican's own site.

Thus evangelicalism could be considered the equivalent to TRCs, insofar as being a morally conservative movement.

The problem for the TRC then is that they promote a particular church, but which effectually fosters liberalism where it predominates, as what we believe is shown by what we do, and the latter defines our words. And by her treatment of even long term leftists such as Teddy K, she is teaching what she really means as required fidelity to be counted as a Catholic. And thus what a "rue Scotsman" can be.

In addition, TRCs characterize those who hold Scripture as the supreme authority to be helplessly in disarray, and in need of the supreme magisterium of Rome. Yet without even one centralized magisterium evangelicals overall testify to greater unity in conservative moral views and on core doctrinal issues than Catholics, and the latter testifies that Rome herself is subject to interpretation.

And unlike evangelicals, TRCs cannot formally separate from liberal Rcs (the majority) without themselves being schismatic.

Of course, the real issue is what is the supreme basis for truth claims, Scriptural substantiation or the assured veracity of the magisterium. And the answer to that is seen in how the church began.

74 posted on 11/28/2013 3:49:31 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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