[Colofornian]

Since BYU plays Notre Dame today (3:30 p.m. eastern time, NBC), I thought this might be an "appropo" posting -- to see what Lds "prophets" & "apostles" have said re: Catholics as a "backgrounder" for today's game.

For other Mormon "scriptures" applied vs. the Catholic Church, and other quotes from Lds "prophet" John Taylor and the "apostle" Pratt brothers (Romney is a direct descendent of BOTH Pratt brothers), see: Why the Mormon Church hates the Catholic

[Colofornian]

Now inevitably, we'll get a FREEPER poster or two who will want to cite some Protestant leaders thruout history who have critiqued the Catholic church.

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Frankly, in some areas, the Catholic church has indeed needed to be critiqued (after all, some Catholic leaders have critiqued other Catholic positions or trumped earlier Catholic doctrinal stances!).

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A key difference: When a Mormon "prophet" or "apostle" speaks, it's regarded as the very "voice" of God as related to his supposed "seer and revelator" role! IoW, it's not mere leader opinion. The Mormons are bound to it -- to "honor" it as if was pseudo-"scripture."

That's a wide gap 'tween statements made by some Christian leaders in the centuries vs. Catholicism or Mormonism for that matter.

Some Christian leaders' comments thru the century may be quite discerning; others, just their opinion. But it's not on the level of Revelation chapter 23!!!

In sharp contrast, Mormonism expects its leaders' statements to be regarded as "revelations from God" offered up by their seer.

For example, anything said or done by 19th (or early 20th) century Southern Baptists wasn't said or done by either...
(a) a Southern Baptist "Pope"...
(b) a Southern Baptist head hauncho who was supposed to be God's very vocal chords on his behalf for the entire planet.

This, unfortunately wound up translating into SOME 19th century Southern Baptist leaders who gave wrongful/sinful opinions on race issues, for example -- some from the pulpit of a given church...and wrong/sinful decisions (breaking away from the Northern Baptists)

In sharp contrast, Lds "prophet" Brigham Young said he had never preached a sermon -- that upon review & correction of any notes taken down by their secretary -- that couldn't be called "scripture."

AND...this wasn't just Young's "opinion..." THIS very concept is recorded/undergirded in Lds' "sacred 'scriptures'" -- Doctrines & Covenant:

'Twas a November day 1831...when Joseph Smith said:

...this is an ensample unto ALL who were ordained unto this priesthood...and this is the ensample unto them,
that they shall speak as they are 'moved upon' by the Holy Ghost... [v. 4:] And WHATSOEVER they shall speak when moved upon by the Holy Ghost SHALL BE SCRIPTURE,
shall be the will of the Lord,
shall be the mind of the Lord,
shall be the word of the Lord,
shall be the voice of the Lord...
OFFICIAL Lds "Scripture": Doctrine & Covenants 68:2-4

[svcw]

Once the prophet has spoken the thinking has been done....

[metmom]

As an active Latter-day Saint and a returned missionary, I have gotten in more than my share of arguments with the so-called “Christians” who feel a compulsion to build their own insecure beliefs (and yes, often they were insecure) by tearing others’ beliefs down.

So Mormons will no longer be telling others that their churches have been wrong for the last how many hundreds of years after all and that Mormonism is the only OTC?

I guess Mormons can dish it out better than they can take it.

[1rudeboy]

Go BYU!

[Andyman]

Yet when “Catholicism” the TV series was broadcast in Utah, what was the one outlet to carry it? KBYU! Who gives by far the most coverage of Catholic events in Utah, including Knights of Columbus events? KSL, the church-owned TV station and the Deseret News, the “Mormon” newspaper.

Things are not always as they were.

[Elsie]

All this kissy-face is making me ill!

[Nifster]

SInce protestants have said much the same and more against about the roman church, I don’t get your point other than to yet again bash mormons.

[StormPrepper]

"LDS Apostle Orson Pratt:"

"Q. Is the Roman Catholic Church the Church of Christ?"
"A. No: for she has no inspired priesthood or officers…"

True. Jesus only recognizes the Church He physically visits and sets up personally. He did not set up the Catholic Church nor has He ever showed Himself to a Pope.

"Q. How long since the Roman Catholic Church lost the authority and ceased to be the Church of Christ?"
"A. She never had authority and never was the Church of Christ…"

True. After the Apostles were killed the people knew there was supposed to be a leader. Since God wasn't giving them a new one, they chose one themselves; Linus I. However, even after Linus claimed to be the leader of the "church", the resurrected Jesus was still talking with His last remaining Apostle, John. Jesus never visited Linus nor has He ever spoken to any Pope.

"Q. Who founded the Roman Catholic Church?"
"A. The Devil, through the medium of Apostates… (The Seer, 1854, 205)"

There are only two churches in the world. Even though there are a million titles and doctrines, only one is God's true Church.

Just one. The rest are set up by the devil to deceive man.

[StormPrepper]

"Apparently, sometime around 1960 LDS leadership decided they ought not to say these sorts of things in public if they want to make friends in the world. If Orson Pratt and David O. McKay, et. al., publicly expressed their religious convictions today, would we find the Anti-Defamation League releasing a statement condemning their remarks as “nothing more than [Catholic]-bashing… hate directed at all of us”? And would Mr. Call agree with that? I wonder if he would rebuke his Church leaders for “build[ing] their own insecure beliefs” by “tearing others’ beliefs down.”

We don't have to make any more statements like this because what's said is enough. Difference is, these are singular statements in a life a teaching. Notice that no LDS leader ever has quoted the leader of another church trying desperately to find fault with every word they say.

“The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done” (History of the Church, 4:540).

"but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime"

This Prophecy is being fulfilled.

Luke 13:
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Which one of us will have cause to "gnash" teeth because we see all the prophets?... Not me.