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From the outset, the authors make it clear that though they are Roman Catholics, they are not writing a religious book. Rather, they are writing a historical account of a historical figure “and are interested primarily in telling the truth about important people, not converting anyone to a spiritual cause.” They necessarily rely on the four gospels for their source material and often tell their story by directly quoting the Bible....

....These authors err far to the side of his humanity. It becomes quickly apparent they will not focus on Jesus’ miracles. While they mention a few of the wonders he performed, and especially the ones involving healings, they do not commit all the way and tend to present these as events Jesus’ followers believed had happened as much as events that had actually taken place. The authors primarily portray Jesus as a rebel against Rome who threatened to destabilize the region and who, therefore, suffered the inevitable wrath of the empire. They show that through his life Jesus believed he was the Son of God and even suggest this must mean he was either a liar, a lunatic, or that he really was who he said he was. As the book comes to a close they state that Jesus’ followers soon claimed he had been raised from the dead and that his followers believed this to such an extent that they willingly gave up their own lives to his cause.

But O’Reilly and Dugard do not ever explain what happened there at the cross between Jesus and God the Father. Of all Jesus said on the cross, each word laden with meaning and significance, they mention only two. They do not explain the cross as substitution, where Jesus went to the cross in place of people he loved; they do not explain the cross as justice, where Jesus was punished as a law-breaker; they do not explain the cross as propitiation, where Jesus faced and emptied the Father’s wrath against sin; they do not explain the cross as redemption, where we now need only put our faith in Jesus in order to receive all the benefits of what he accomplished. Killing Jesus is not a bad book as much as it is an incomplete book. As history it is compelling, but of all historical events, none has greater spiritual significance than the life and death of Jesus Christ. And this is the story they miss.

1 posted on 09/28/2013 7:58:06 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: HarleyD; Gamecock; Kaslin; metmom; F15Eagle
Ping to Tim Challies' review of O'Reilly's book.

See the related thread Going to Hell (Without a Handbasket).

2 posted on 09/28/2013 8:02:13 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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“In the meantime, it will take Jesus out of the realm of fantasy and place him squarely in history, ..... “


If it achieves that, that’s a step in the right direction. Hopefully more people will become interested to learn more about Jesus.


3 posted on 09/28/2013 8:12:55 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Alex Murphy

That Bible series that was just done had a ton of errors in it. So we can expect the same from this effort.


4 posted on 09/28/2013 8:16:11 AM PDT by GailA (THOSE WHO DON'T KEEP PROMISES TO THE MILITARY, WON'T KEEP THEM TO U!)
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To: Alex Murphy

Could it be that BOR helped to plant seeds of “evangelization” simply by writing this book?


5 posted on 09/28/2013 8:16:51 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Alex Murphy

“They do not explain the cross as substitution, where Jesus went to the cross in place of people he loved; they do not explain the cross as justice, where Jesus was punished as a law-breaker; they do not explain the cross as propitiation, where Jesus faced and emptied the Father’s wrath against sin; they do not explain the cross as redemption, where we now need only put our faith in Jesus in order to receive all the benefits of what he accomplished.”

In other words they missed the whole story, the part that’s valuable to hopeless sinners in desperate straits before a righteous and thrice holy God “who will by no means clear the guilty.”


8 posted on 09/28/2013 8:26:15 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt (A sinner can't pay for grace that's free, nor add to work that's complete.)
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To: Alex Murphy
No interest in reading the book but there was an interesting fact about the crucifixion of Jesus that I learned in the past year which settles the argument whether Jesus was really dead on the cross.

John 19:33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.

I always presumed this was some sort of miraculous sign but I recently read that it is not.

A medical examiner stated that when the heart has ceased while maintaining an upright position, the blood and the plasma separate in the sac that surrounds the heart.

When the Roman soldier stabbed Jesus in the heart producing (what appeared to their eyes as) blood and water, this was actually the separated plasma and blood. It proved two things: first that Jesus' body was truly dead as this separation does not happen without the heart stopping and, secondly, that the soldier hit the intended mark.

All the soldier was trying to do was see if Jesus' reacted to the pain of a stab in the heart. Since he didn't, the people of his time could surmise Jesus was dead.

But for those who claim that Jesus didn't actually die but merely fainted and was revived in the cool air of the tomb, this test proved the theory was not possible. There are other tidbits about the way the first century Jews were prepared for burial that also eliminate the "fainting" theory yet it still persists among some deniers.

10 posted on 09/28/2013 8:49:17 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Howdy to all you government agents spying on me.)
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When I was flipping channels the other night, I came across O’Reilly talking about some interview he did in connection with this book. He showed a clip in which he said Jesus was just a regular guy who really didn’t want to get up on that cross.


13 posted on 09/28/2013 9:04:01 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.)
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My mother, a retired HS history teacher (and Christian) is currently reading BO'Re's book, Killing Jesus. She thinks it is a very good history book of those times.

Back in APR 2013, I think it was Sean Hannity on his FOX news show, interviewed author Stephen Mansfield about his upcoming book, also entitled Killing Jesus. It was published 5/07/2013. I read it and was absolutely transfixed by it. It really brought a deeper understanding of the events surrounding Jesus during that 1st Holy Week. I cannot recommend this book enough. Of the 2, my mother thought Mansfield's book was better.

Curiously, when I did the Amazon search, I found a 3rd book entitled Killing Jesus. It was written by Paul Marano and published in its paperback edtion on 2/23/2013.

16 posted on 09/28/2013 9:31:19 AM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: Alex Murphy

Isn’t there already a book out about this.


17 posted on 09/28/2013 9:49:08 AM PDT by barmag25
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To: Alex Murphy
Thanks for posting this AM.....Any thing that gets people to think about the Lord is good but I'd like to point out that no one killed Jesus....He laid down his life, which is a crucial point ...
19 posted on 09/28/2013 9:58:08 AM PDT by virgil283 (When the sun spins, the cross appears, and the skies burn red)
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In 1957, Jim Bishop published The Day Christ Died (New York: Harper), a popular account that sold well. He wrote similar books about the deaths of Lincoln, JFK and FDR. Perhaps BOR aspires to be the Jim Bishop of our day.
21 posted on 09/28/2013 10:03:27 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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36 posted on 09/28/2013 11:37:13 AM PDT by narses
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*The authors primarily portray Jesus as a rebel against Rome who threatened to destabilize the region and who, therefore, suffered the inevitable wrath of the empire.*

Must be some other Jesus. Jesus of Nazareth never threatened the rule of Rome. Pilate would have released him in a minute if he’d dared.


41 posted on 09/28/2013 12:25:26 PM PDT by Romulus
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1 ... They show that through his life Jesus believed he was the Son of God and even suggest this must mean he was either a liar, a lunatic, or that he really was who he said he was.

C.S. Lewis' trilemma

C.S. Lewis's trilemma is an argument intended to prove the divinity of Jesus. C. S. Lewis was an Oxford medieval historian, popular writer, and Christian apologist. He used the trilemma argument in a series of BBC radio talks later published as the book Mere Christianity. It is sometimes summarized either as "Lunatic, Liar, or Lord", or as "Mad, Bad, or God".

... A frequent criticism is the claim that the statements and actions referred to by Lewis were an invention of the early Christian movement, seeking to glorify Jesus. According to Bart Ehrman, 'there could be a fourth option – legend'. Lewis himself denied the accounts of Jesus were legends: "I have read a great deal of legend and I am quite clear that they are not the same sort of thing". N. T. Wright, a leading New Testament scholar, comments that Lewis's argument "doesn't work as history, and it backfires dangerously when historical critics question his reading of the Gospels."

74 posted on 09/28/2013 8:52:40 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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