Skip to comments.Has the Vatican Excommunicated Pelosi? (8 things to know and share)
Posted on 09/26/2013 2:44:58 PM PDT by NYer
Recently a series of stories burbled through the mainstream media suggesting that Nancy Pelosi has been excommunicated or denied Communion by the Vatican.
Pelosi is a passionately pro-abortion California politician who describes herself as “a devout Catholic.”
She has long been a foe of the pro-life movement.
What’s the truth behind the story?
Here are 8 things to know and share . . .
1) What’s the origin of this story?
The story has its roots in an interview that was given by Cardinal Raymond Burke to the Minneapolis-based paper The Catholic Servant. It was later posted online by The Wanderer.
You can read the full interview here.
2) Did the Cardinal say that Rep. Pelosi was excommunicated?
No. He did make remarks that have a bearing on whether she should be admitted to Holy Communion, but he did not discuss her being excommunicated.
Despite the similarity in name, “excommunication” and not being able to receive Holy Communion are two different things.
Excommunication is a canonical penalty that does prevent one from receiving the sacraments, but it includes other provisions as well.
Excommunication is, in part, a medicinal penalty intended to encourage a person to repent and be reconciled.
Direct participation in an abortion can result in automatic excommunication, but this does not apply to politicians who have indirect involvement with abortion through the legislative process.
There is no indication that Ms. Pelosi has been excommunicated.
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If not, then it’s too long in coming. Same with Biden, Kerry and other nominal Catholics.
Try an exorcism first.
Then try burning her as a witch, if the exorcism doesn't take...
Seriously, we should all pray that, by whatever means God finds best, He will ahock her off of her present course, which leads to eternal loss.
Will she still get her funeral mass?
Absolutely. We should pray for our leaders. And we should pray for those that are currently outside of Christ, because if they die in this state they will be lost in eternity.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of our leaders have pledged their allegiance to the 'Prince of the Power of the Air', for the temporal baubles that he can provide... We should pray that they are recovered before it is too late...
Don’t forget Sebelius in that list.
I’ve never seen this substantiated. Do you know nything about Pelosi or Kennedy donations? Most big libs’ church and charitable giving is -— according to published surveys -— on the low-to-zero side.
This will come as a blow to the congresswoman, who’s favorite word is the Word.
Not about money. But about infidelity. In the Church we have had for forty years or more heretical elements like those that have destroyed the Episcopal Church and the other mainstream Protestant bodies. Pelosi and her ilk are simply their tools.
She needs an inner city high school marching band rocking out, "Ding Dong, The Witch is Dead"!!
don’t pro aborts excommunicate themselves, Latae sententiae
The Church is not the punitive behemoth that people imagine. She is reticent to respond to dissidence, therefore it is not reasonable to expect speedy or harsh censure of abortion-supporting politicians.
Understanding the nature of the Church and the human beings in positions of authority within the Church helps to mitigate our disappointment.
Life is tough.
Of Course she will and a Prince of the Church will be there, Just like one was there for the Kennedy’s. They aren’t going to get too far away from the money.
They don’t necessarily give cash. They give political favors. It doesn’t cost them anything that way.
Too bad the entire article cannot be posted.
Good points in it.
It’s not about money. It’s about repentance.
Do you know for sure that the Kennedys who have died, did not repent on their death bed?
Then who are we to judge?
I’m totally against abortion, but we cannot judge other people — that’s God’s job.
I wouldn’t mind losing Pelosi.
What kind of conversation would we have in Heaven?
“Sure, I betrayed the US and worked tirelessly so that millions of babies could be killed in the womb, but thank goodness I went to Mass and Confession.”
OK, I get that, political favors. And that would be quite public. What political favors did SanFranNan, for instance, ever do for the Catholic Church? All I can think of in her lregilsative or policy history, are things disastrously detrimental to the Church. Has Pelosi ever done anything protective of the Church’s liberty or well-being?
I hate to say it but given her cozy relationship with queers she probably has plenty of leverage over some people who don’t want “outed”. If someone would excommunicate her she might get mad and spill the beans which in the long run would be the best thing that could happen.
Therefore we may --- and sometimes, must--- judge words as to whether they are true or false, ideas as right or wrong, deeds as good or evil.
What we cannot judge are interior things: another person's inner disposition, and the destiny of his soul. This, precisely, is God's job alone.
"For the word of God is alive and active... it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart."
1 Samuel 16:7 "Man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart."
These are the things we must not judge; to these Jesus refers, when He says "Judge not."
I have no doubt that Nasty Nan’s gay activist allies, especially, are capable of unleashing a torrent of lawsuits and scandals -— true and false -— against churchmen. And you’re right: bring it on. In the long run, full disclosure would be the best thing that could happen. I regret only that just and innocent men will undoubtedly be shamed, slammed, and slimed, along with the guilty.
And the response will be, “Oh, so then you’re guilty three times over.”
God is the Judge, but we are made in his image. We judge according to our lesser lights over our lesser responsibilities.
If you refuse to judge correcting and rightly, then you fall into sin.