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Has the Vatican Excommunicated Pelosi? (8 things to know and share)
NC Register ^ | September 25, 2013 | JImmy Akin

Posted on 09/26/2013 2:44:58 PM PDT by NYer

Has Nancy Pelosi (finally) been excommunicated for her outrageous support of abortion?

Recently a series of stories burbled through the mainstream media suggesting that Nancy Pelosi has been excommunicated or denied Communion by the Vatican.

Pelosi is a passionately pro-abortion California politician who describes herself as “a devout Catholic.”

She has long been a foe of the pro-life movement.

What’s the truth behind the story?

Here are 8 things to know and share . . .

 

1) What’s the origin of this story?

The story has its roots in an interview that was given by Cardinal Raymond Burke to the Minneapolis-based paper The Catholic Servant. It was later posted online by The Wanderer.

You can read the full interview here.

 

2) Did the Cardinal say that Rep. Pelosi was excommunicated?

No. He did make remarks that have a bearing on whether she should be admitted to Holy Communion, but he did not discuss her being excommunicated.

Despite the similarity in name, “excommunication” and not being able to receive Holy Communion are two different things.

Excommunication is a canonical penalty that does prevent one from receiving the sacraments, but it includes other provisions as well.

Excommunication is, in part, a medicinal penalty intended to encourage a person to repent and be reconciled.

Direct participation in an abortion can result in automatic excommunication, but this does not apply to politicians who have indirect involvement with abortion through the legislative process.

There is no indication that Ms. Pelosi has been excommunicated.

 

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TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: burke; excommunication; pelosi

1 posted on 09/26/2013 2:44:58 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...
What was Cardinal Burke asked that led to his discussion of Nancy Pelosi and Holy Communion?

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Ping!

2 posted on 09/26/2013 2:46:22 PM PDT by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: NYer

If not, then it’s too long in coming. Same with Biden, Kerry and other nominal Catholics.


3 posted on 09/26/2013 2:48:23 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: NYer

Try an exorcism first.


4 posted on 09/26/2013 2:50:55 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: gundog
Try an exorcism first.

Then try burning her as a witch, if the exorcism doesn't take...

5 posted on 09/26/2013 2:53:30 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: NYer
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6 posted on 09/26/2013 3:06:15 PM PDT by FredZarguna (With bell, book, and candle, please.)
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To: El Cid
I wouldn't burn her. Air quality standards and all.

Seriously, we should all pray that, by whatever means God finds best, He will ahock her off of her present course, which leads to eternal loss.

7 posted on 09/26/2013 3:11:00 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" - Jeremiah 17:9)
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To: All
Did the Cardinal say that Rep. Pelosi was excommunicated?
No. He did make remarks that have a bearing on whether she should be admitted to Holy Communion, but he did not discuss her being excommunicated.

Will she still get her funeral mass?

8 posted on 09/26/2013 3:12:15 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: NYer
She will not be excommunicated from the Catholic church. No different than the Kennedy's. They can afford to buy their good graces with the church. All about money.
9 posted on 09/26/2013 3:15:18 PM PDT by YukonGreen
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Seriously, we should all pray that, by whatever means God finds best, He will ahock her off of her present course, which leads to eternal loss.

Absolutely. We should pray for our leaders. And we should pray for those that are currently outside of Christ, because if they die in this state they will be lost in eternity.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of our leaders have pledged their allegiance to the 'Prince of the Power of the Air', for the temporal baubles that he can provide... We should pray that they are recovered before it is too late...

10 posted on 09/26/2013 3:16:59 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Olog-hai

Don’t forget Sebelius in that list.


11 posted on 09/26/2013 3:18:20 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: YukonGreen

I’ve never seen this substantiated. Do you know nything about Pelosi or Kennedy donations? Most big libs’ church and charitable giving is -— according to published surveys -— on the low-to-zero side.


12 posted on 09/26/2013 3:19:49 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" - Jeremiah 17:9)
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To: NYer

This will come as a blow to the congresswoman, who’s favorite word is the Word.


13 posted on 09/26/2013 3:21:16 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: YukonGreen

Not about money. But about infidelity. In the Church we have had for forty years or more heretical elements like those that have destroyed the Episcopal Church and the other mainstream Protestant bodies. Pelosi and her ilk are simply their tools.


14 posted on 09/26/2013 3:25:23 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: Alex Murphy
Will she still get her funeral mass?

She needs an inner city high school marching band rocking out, "Ding Dong, The Witch is Dead"!!

15 posted on 09/26/2013 3:28:47 PM PDT by dragonblustar (FU Jaun McCain!!!!!!)
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To: NYer

don’t pro aborts excommunicate themselves, Latae sententiae


16 posted on 09/26/2013 4:14:38 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: NYer

The Church is not the punitive behemoth that people imagine. She is reticent to respond to dissidence, therefore it is not reasonable to expect speedy or harsh censure of abortion-supporting politicians.

Understanding the nature of the Church and the human beings in positions of authority within the Church helps to mitigate our disappointment.

Life is tough.


17 posted on 09/26/2013 4:19:28 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Let your 'Yes' mean 'Yes,' and your 'No' mean 'No.' Matthew 5:37)
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To: Alex Murphy

Of Course she will and a Prince of the Church will be there, Just like one was there for the Kennedy’s. They aren’t going to get too far away from the money.


18 posted on 09/26/2013 4:20:53 PM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

They don’t necessarily give cash. They give political favors. It doesn’t cost them anything that way.


19 posted on 09/26/2013 4:21:53 PM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: NYer

Too bad the entire article cannot be posted.

Good points in it.


20 posted on 09/26/2013 4:52:28 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: YukonGreen

It’s not about money. It’s about repentance.

Do you know for sure that the Kennedys who have died, did not repent on their death bed?

Then who are we to judge?

I’m totally against abortion, but we cannot judge other people — that’s God’s job.


21 posted on 09/26/2013 4:54:57 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: El Cid

I wouldn’t mind losing Pelosi.

What kind of conversation would we have in Heaven?

“Sure, I betrayed the US and worked tirelessly so that millions of babies could be killed in the womb, but thank goodness I went to Mass and Confession.”


22 posted on 09/26/2013 5:21:48 PM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: Venturer

OK, I get that, political favors. And that would be quite public. What political favors did SanFranNan, for instance, ever do for the Catholic Church? All I can think of in her lregilsative or policy history, are things disastrously detrimental to the Church. Has Pelosi ever done anything protective of the Church’s liberty or well-being?


23 posted on 09/26/2013 6:43:45 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" - Jeremiah 17:9)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I hate to say it but given her cozy relationship with queers she probably has plenty of leverage over some people who don’t want “outed”. If someone would excommunicate her she might get mad and spill the beans which in the long run would be the best thing that could happen.


25 posted on 09/26/2013 7:55:33 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Salvation
Do you know for sure that the Kennedys who have died, did not repent on their death bed?
Then who are we to judge?
I’m totally against abortion, but we cannot judge other people — that’s God’s job.


G-d, Himself is the only Judge....capital 'J' Judge, as in that's 1 of his jobs it's 1 of his heavenly titles.
But G-d is not the only one who CAN judge.
Those who keep all of His Commandments, those who are righteous in His Word can judge:
Zechariah 3:7-
This is what the LORD of Hosts says: If you walk in My ways and keep My instructions, you will both judge My house and take care of My courts; I will also grant you access among these who are standing here."
Ezra 7:25-
“And you, Ezra, according to the wisdom of your God that is in your hand, appoint magistrates and judges who may judge all the people in the province Beyond the River, all such as know the laws of your God. And those who do not know them, you shall teach.
1 Kings 3:9-10-
"So give Your servant an understanding heart to judge Your people to discern between good and evil. For who is able to judge this great people of Yours? The Lord was pleased that Solomon had asked for this wisdom."

G-d does impart the authority for the righteous man (one who keep all of His Written Word) to judge, examine, discern, ask, question, contend, and determine over the unrighteous (those who keep none of His Written Word).....and at many times G-d has commanded man to do so.
26 posted on 09/26/2013 8:01:14 PM PDT by brent13a
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To: brent13a; Salvation
Brent, a righteous human can only judge what he can know, and that means externalities: what a person says (word), their expressed thoughts (ideas they've revealed), and what they do (deeds). There are judge-able because they are discernable.

Therefore we may --- and sometimes, must--- judge words as to whether they are true or false, ideas as right or wrong, deeds as good or evil.

What we cannot judge are interior things: another person's inner disposition, and the destiny of his soul. This, precisely, is God's job alone.

Hebrews 4:12
"For the word of God is alive and active... it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart."

1 Samuel 16:7 "Man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart."

These are the things we must not judge; to these Jesus refers, when He says "Judge not."

27 posted on 09/27/2013 4:23:03 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" - Jeremiah 17:9)
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To: Rashputin

I have no doubt that Nasty Nan’s gay activist allies, especially, are capable of unleashing a torrent of lawsuits and scandals -— true and false -— against churchmen. And you’re right: bring it on. In the long run, full disclosure would be the best thing that could happen. I regret only that just and innocent men will undoubtedly be shamed, slammed, and slimed, along with the guilty.


28 posted on 09/27/2013 4:27:44 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Justice and judgment are the foundation of His throne." Psalm 89:14)
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To: donmeaker

And the response will be, “Oh, so then you’re guilty three times over.”


29 posted on 09/27/2013 7:48:08 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: brent13a

God is the Judge, but we are made in his image. We judge according to our lesser lights over our lesser responsibilities.

If you refuse to judge correcting and rightly, then you fall into sin.


30 posted on 09/27/2013 8:15:11 AM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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