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To: Dutchboy88
You misrepresent Paul. He denied that he was telling Jews to depart from Moses, to cease circumcision, or to cease keeping the traditions (Acts 21:20ff) and kept those "trappings" himself--even the optional ones, like Nazrite vows (Acts 18:18). Many of those so-called trappings are the cultural elements that make the Jews, well, Jews: Sabbath, Feasts, kashrut, clothing, etc. To say that those are gone is to say that Paul intended that there cease to be a Jewish people and Jewish culture.

Hebrews is actually addressing one main point: How can we keep the Torah if the Temple is destroyed? The answer is that the Scriptures always prophesied another priesthood which, though superior in many respects, is distinct from the Levitical priesthood. The Levitical priesthood serves the copy, while the priest like Melkizedek serves in the Heavenly Temple. While it is impossible at present to carry out the earthly sacrifices, those have been covered for us by a superior Sacrifice. Therefore, those elements of Torah which don't require an earthly Temple (such as the Sabbath) may still be carried out--and should be (Heb. 4:9-10).

This doesn't negate Galatians, of course. In Galatians, Paul is telling Gentiles that they don't have to become Jews in order to take part in the Covenant. In Hebrews, he (or one of his disciples) is dealing with a purely Jewish issue. Sadly, failure to understand the distinct issues has resulted in the Church presenting as false a gospel to the Jews as the Judaizers presented to the Gentiles: "You can be saved if you believe in Jesus Christ . . . and stop being Jewish (i.e., keeping Torah)!"

Having said all that, back to the core issue in the article: Yes, it is right that houses of worship be supported, and even be beautiful. Yes, it is true that the refusal to put one's money where one's mouth is in regards to faith is an endemic problem in our culture.

On the other hand, how many priests, ministers, and rabbis who currently draw a salary from their assemblies would be willing to put their money where their mouths are and build tents for a living? And how many assemblies misuse their parishoner's money and build up material goods for themselves to an excessive degree?

There are two sides to this problem, and both need to be dealt with.

Shalom.

15 posted on 09/16/2013 1:27:31 PM PDT by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.wordpress.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: Buggman
"You misrepresent Paul. He denied that he was telling Jews to depart from Moses, to cease circumcision, or to cease keeping the traditions (Acts 21:20ff) and kept those "trappings" himself--even the optional ones, like Nazrite vows (Acts 18:18). Many of those so-called trappings are the cultural elements that make the Jews, well, Jews: Sabbath, Feasts, kashrut, clothing, etc. To say that those are gone is to say that Paul intended that there cease to be a Jewish people and Jewish culture."

Sorry, my FRiend. You have not read the entire story. Paul's letter to the Hebrews is about the superiority of Jesus, the Lamb provided by God, to all of the sacrificial activities involving bulls and goats. Jesus is superior to the High Priest order, as Melchizadek pre-dated and is thus superior to Levi. Jesus is the end-all of the Law and Paul's argument is for believing Jews to resist the pressure of the community to return to that Law. They are to pay attention to this important change, lest they "slide right by" it the way the Jews in general have.

Once grace has come, the Law's work as a tutor is done.

Galatians 2 & 3 addresses your misunderstanding. It has actually always been "faith" infused in believers...not legal requirements. Here is 3 in total:

[a]You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? 2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of [b]the Law, or by [c]hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun [d]by the Spirit, are you now [e]being perfected by the flesh? 4 Did you [f]suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5 So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works [g]miracles among you, do it by the works of [h]the Law, or by [i]hearing with faith?

6 [j]Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness. 7 Therefore, [k]be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God [l]would justify the [m]Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “All the nations will be blessed in you.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with [n]Abraham, the believer.

10 For as many as are of the works of [o]the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them.” 11 Now that no one is justified [p]by [q]the Law before God is evident; for, “[r]The righteous man shall live by faith.” 12 [s]However, the Law is not [t]of faith; on the contrary, “He who practices them shall live [u]by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a [v]tree”— 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might [w]come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Intent of the Law

15 Brethren, I speak [x]in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man’s [y]covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds [z]conditions to it. 16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as referring to many, but rather to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ. 17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18 For if the inheritance is [aa]based on law, it is no longer [ab]based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.

19 Why the Law then? It was added [ac]because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the [ad]agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made. 20 Now a mediator is not [ae]for one party only; whereas God is only one. 21 Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness [af]would indeed have been [ag]based on law. 22 But the Scripture has shut up [ah]everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a [ai]tutor. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is [aj]neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you [ak]belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s [al]descendants, heirs according to promise.

Check Acts 15 and the argument about whether circumcision should be includable to Gentiles. Even Peter said, "We Jews have never actually accomplished the Law anyway (neither us, nor our ancestors), why put this upon the Gentiles?"

No additional circumcision was ever advocated for a Jew by Paul. It does not negate their identity (descendants of A, I, J), but it does stop the incorrect understanding that "works" rescues a man.

And, the "building" thing is a fabrication of traditions, not the New Covenant. Find support for it in the Epistles and we're listening.

23 posted on 09/16/2013 4:24:16 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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