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To: uptoolate

It is my understanding that the Doctrine of Perseverance will not have a true believer leaving the faith and never returning. If one does leave, it may be that they were never “of us”...but just “among us”.


You have a good point, but my only question would be if some one leaves the Church does it mean they are leaving the faith or are they just leaving the doctrine of the Church?

But actually i think you are right, i don,t think they have lived long enough for God to put that much responsibility on them even if they were chosen before the foundation of the world, Jesus was close to 30 before he started his ministry and we know he was chosen.


44 posted on 08/25/2013 2:10:57 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf

Doctrine of Perseverance teaches that those people who die Saved were members of the Elect.
Once Saved Always Saved teaches that your state at death is irrelevant to whether you go to Heaven. if you had a Salvation experience, you go to Heaven.


45 posted on 08/25/2013 2:14:55 PM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: ravenwolf
i don,t think they have lived long enough for God to put that much responsibility on them

Agree. I'm reminded of the age requirement of the Israel children to NOT be held accountable for the sin of idolatry and thus were allowed to enter the promised land after the 40 years.

There is a time in every one of our kids lives when they have to move beyond "this is what mommy and daddy think" and test those beliefs and take ownership of what they will call truth in their particular worldview. We think they may be rebelling but they are seeking to establish their own rules of life.

If you haven't listened to Paul Washer on testing yourself to see if one is in the faith then I highly recommend it. Every Youth Leader should show this to their group.

Paul Washer

46 posted on 08/25/2013 2:41:06 PM PDT by uptoolate (Republicans sure do like their liberalism)
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