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Putin to Discuss Interests of Christian Orthodox Communities in Different Countries
Interfax ^ | 7/24/13

Posted on 07/24/2013 10:59:53 AM PDT by marshmallow

Moscow, July 24, Interfax - President Vladimir Putin on July 25 will meet Patriarch Kirill and representatives of local Orthodox Churches who arrived in Moscow for the celebration of the 1025th anniversary of the Baptism of Rus.

The Kremlin press service reported on Wednesday that the format of the meeting is very unique.

"For the first time the Grand Kremlin Palace will bring together the heads and senior clergymen of all 15 existing Christian Orthodox Churches uniting over 227 million believers - the Church of Jerusalem, Church of Antioch, Church of Ellada, Church of Cyprus, Church of Alexandria, the Georgian Orthodox Church, the Bulgarian Orthodox Church, the Russian Orthodox Church, the Romanian Orthodox Church, the Serbian Orthodox Church, the Albanian Orthodox Church, the Polish Orthodox Church, the Church of Constantinople, the Orthodox Church of Czech Lands and Slovakia and also the Orthodox Church in America," the press release says.

The conversation is expected to focus not only on issues of creed but also on pressing international matters affecting the interests of Christian Orthodox communities in different countries of the world.


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1 posted on 07/24/2013 10:59:53 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

A noteworthy absence of Rome.


2 posted on 07/24/2013 11:03:58 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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To: marshmallow

Putin, building support for the advancement of the Russian Nation.


3 posted on 07/24/2013 11:05:04 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: marshmallow
Sounds like yet another attempt to promote the Third Rome idea, that the Moscow patriarch is the de facto ecumenical patriarch and should be the de jure.
4 posted on 07/24/2013 11:05:14 AM PDT by wideawake
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For the first time the Grand Kremlin Palace will bring together the heads and senior clergymen of all 15 existing Christian Orthodox Churches uniting over 227 million believers - the Church of Jerusalem, Church of Antioch, Church of Ellada, Church of Cyprus, Church of Alexandria, the Georgian Orthodox Church, the Bulgarian Orthodox Church, the Russian Orthodox Church, the Romanian Orthodox Church, the Serbian Orthodox Church, the Albanian Orthodox Church, the Polish Orthodox Church, the Church of Constantinople, the Orthodox Church of Czech Lands and Slovakia and also the Orthodox Church in America," the press release says.

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5 posted on 07/24/2013 11:08:48 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I wonder if Putin wears some protection from Holy Water: direct contact with his skin could be fatal.


6 posted on 07/24/2013 11:11:48 AM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: marshmallow

Perhaps Vlad will embrace Orthodox Christianity. Certainly anything is possible—God can save the worst of sinners.

Putin obviously is aware that sodomy is detrimental to society—seems that even the Russian parliament knows that.

The tide is turning against Western civilization, as it descends into immorality.


7 posted on 07/24/2013 11:18:43 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Alex Murphy

Russian Christianity? Is it like dry water or honest politician? The motley mix of superstitions and politics that they call “Christianity” has nothing to do with Christ, rather opposite. It is very unfortunate that members of Canonical Churches are maintaining contact with that parody - the disease can be contagious.


8 posted on 07/24/2013 11:19:37 AM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy; marshmallow
Not sure I understand your comment, yef. Should the Catholics have been invited to invite this big Kievan Rus anniversary? And if so, should it be "Rome" or should it be the Middle Eastern, southwest Asian, and Eastern European Byzantine Catholics: the Ukrainian Catholics, the Melkite, Maronite, Chaldean, etc.?

Your views?

9 posted on 07/24/2013 11:26:00 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("They help each other and say to their companions, 'Be strong!' " — Isaiah 41:6)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

In for a penny... That is, were Putin to invite others, it would not just be a boost for Russia, but it would be such a huge Orthodox Christian ecumenical event that it would be one for the history books.

Moscow, in particular, would be elevated into a unified Orthodox Christian capital, with the Russian church a perpetual host.

It’s hard to describe the value of doing something so novel and ground breaking. Putin, for one, would be ranked with the greatest of Christian monarchs.


10 posted on 07/24/2013 11:54:37 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
OK, I kind of get what you're saying. Putin could have positioned himself as the only man with the moxie to convene an Orthodox/Catholic summit meeting at this time of crisis for the Christian world. Which would make him a kind of Constantine, a protector of world Christianity.

Is that the idea?

11 posted on 07/24/2013 12:14:42 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: Samogon
Which canonical churches are you referring to? Russian Orthodoxy is the Church of the Apostles. Putin may or may not be acting in good faith. I don't know about him. I do know that Russian Christianity has graced the world with tens of thousands of saints who bear witness to our Lord Jesus Christ's love and mercy.
12 posted on 07/24/2013 12:22:13 PM PDT by Tasia
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To: Tasia

I appreciate your conviction, but have to disagree. Russian Church had started from lies, theft and bribery, and diligently carried on this tradition to modern days. Multitude of Saints that happen to be Russian, along with many true Believers, do not compensate for the Church corruption.


13 posted on 07/24/2013 12:30:17 PM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: Samogon
To say Eastern Orthodoxy has “nothing to do with Christ” is stupid,easily disproved and not worthy of this site. You may disagree with the theology of the Church, but that does not mean it “has nothing to do with Christ.” For posting ridiculous fiction for political effect, please visit Democratic Underground.

This is a celebration of the baptism of the Kievan Rus who were pagans. No doubt you prefer pagans to Christians who don't have churches that look like yours and pray exactly like you. Quite a few of those going to the celebration dislike Putin immensly.

14 posted on 07/24/2013 12:36:06 PM PDT by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: Samogon
Samogon, are you an Orthodox Christian who is anti-Russian or are you anti-Orthodox in general? What are the canonical churches according to you? I'm not looking for an in depth discussion here. I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from. Thanks for the reply.
15 posted on 07/24/2013 12:39:33 PM PDT by Tasia
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To: cizinec

Where did I say anything about Eastern Orthodoxy as whole? My dear friend, before spewing accusations, it is wise to read the source. FYI: I am Orthodox.


16 posted on 07/24/2013 12:40:04 PM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: Tasia

Oh boy, you are not giving me too many choices: either anti-Russian or anti-Orthodox. How about anti-Russian-Pseudo-Orthodox? I am an Orthodox and I have researched the subject, so I can say with confidence: Russian Church is a political organization, some consider it to be an integral branch of oppressive government.


17 posted on 07/24/2013 12:46:00 PM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

That’s a pretty good way of putting it. Both the governments of Europe and North America have pretty well moved away from honoring or even respecting Christianity, so Russia could move into the vacuum, culturally positioning itself as a “defender of the faith” against those who would disparage it.

As a ‘passive’ move, requiring few resources, it could prove very advantageous to Russia in the future. Likewise, it could be very beneficial to Rome, currently surrounded by a hateful Europe, to have a powerful spiritual ally in Moscow.


18 posted on 07/24/2013 1:36:11 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Worth a try, seems like. But what do I know? Putin seems Machiavellian enough to do it.


19 posted on 07/24/2013 1:38:06 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: marshmallow
It is hard to believe my eyes--seeing Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin and the Christian community in the same sentence without the addition of "gulag."

I read once where Putin's mother was a serious Christian. Who knows if that was true.

My husband and I visited Russia in 2008. I wanted to see Russia but I would only go to St. Petersburg. I didn't want to see anything else, not even Moscow. Very weird wearing sunglasses at night.

It was summer so it was daylight almost all day.

Anyway, our conclusion was that Russia was certainly up and coming, compared to 1972, for example (when my MOTHER went there) but Russia still has a LONG, LONG, L-O-N-G way to go to catch up to the West.

Did I say LONG way to go? Yes LONG!

20 posted on 07/24/2013 4:37:17 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Navy Patriot
Putin, building support for the advancement of the Russian Nation.

IMHO that is Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin's job.
Doncha think?

21 posted on 07/24/2013 4:39:08 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: SoFloFreeper
The tide is turning against Western civilization, as it descends into immorality.

I don't think we are any better, nicer or smarter than we were 2000 years ago. We are healthier; we live longer; we are much better educated and more educated...but better? Nicer? Smarter? No, not even. We aren't descending because we really didn't ascend. We are just people, weak, fragile, hopeful and sometimes HOPELESS.

I also don't thing that our Western civilization is descending into immorality. We are as moral or immoral as people always have been, are and will be. We don't change as humans but there are lots more of us.

I once read that in 1800 we reached the 1 billion mark. Now we are 6 billion on planet earth. We aren't any worse but we sure are MORE.

Just my opinion.

22 posted on 07/24/2013 4:44:49 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
In for a penny... That is, were Putin to invite others, it would not just be a boost for Russia, but it would be such a huge Orthodox Christian ecumenical event that it would be one for the history books.
Moscow, in particular, would be elevated into a unified Orthodox Christian capital, with the Russian church a perpetual host.
It’s hard to describe the value of doing something so novel and ground breaking. Putin, for one, would be ranked with the greatest of Christian monarchs.

HARD TO BELIEVE, even harder to swallow, but so true. That is DOWNRIGHT scary!

23 posted on 07/24/2013 4:47:02 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

There have been peaks and valleys in our public morality, I agree. But the morality of America has declined in the few years I have been on this earth.

Forced celebration of sodomy, the welfare state, and the willing ignorance of the threat of terrorism, and disintegration of the family, on demand abortion....all of this has grown by leaps and bounds.

I think this is true—and the eastern world has started to grow in its Christian world view. The church in China is growing much faster than in America. God’s spirit is being received by more people in Asia, and that is a good thing.


24 posted on 07/24/2013 5:55:25 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: cloudmountain

I’m not so sure. Remember that for that vast majority of its time, Christianity existed and flourished under monarchs. To a great extent, the vast majority of Russian history is integrated with Eastern Orthodox Christianity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianization_of_Kievan_Rus%27

It might even be suggested that Christianity has done less well under republican democracies, because democracy, not religious faith, has been the driving force of modern history.

So what might Putin get out of the deal? Not much, personally. But Russia and its people could profit enormously from religious revival. Right now, they are in decline because they lack spiritual purpose. Secularism has been devastating and demoralizing to them.

So, in making Moscow a Christian capital, maybe Putin could provide his people a reason to live.


25 posted on 07/24/2013 6:46:57 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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To: cloudmountain
IMHO that is Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin's job. Doncha think?

Certainly is, that's why I posted it.

26 posted on 07/24/2013 9:43:43 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: marshmallow

I doubt stories such as this show up in the Russian Military these days. No, you have to come to American to hear this level of idiocy: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/07/24/Military-Censors-Christian-Chaplain-Atheists-Call-for-Punishment


27 posted on 07/25/2013 12:30:38 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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