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This lawsuit could destroy FOIA [Ergun Caner's quest to sanitize his Muslim past may affect us all]
The Week ^ | July 22, 2013 | D.B. Grady

Posted on 07/22/2013 9:22:44 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

One of my favorite stories about former Louisiana Gov. Huey Long involves one of his early political campaigns in the 1920s. While stumping in the northern part of the state, he would tell a story about waking at 6 o'clock every Sunday morning, hitching his family's old horse to a buggy, and bringing his Baptist grandparents to church. When addressing audiences in south Louisiana, he would tell the same story, only this time his grandparents were Catholic.

It was an effective speech that played well to Louisiana's geographic religious divide. Once, after a rally, a local politician remarked, "Why Huey, you've been holding out on us. I didn't know you had Catholic grandparents," to which Long replied, "Don't be a damn fool. We didn't even have a horse."

That story came to mind when I first learned about Ergun Caner, a Baptist minister and public speaker whose shtick is to describe his early life as a Muslim extremist, and then his discovering Jesus and becoming, well, a Christian extremist. This rhetoric played especially well after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, and earned him a considerable following. Jerry Fallwell was one notable fan, and he hired Caner to teach at Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary.

Caner's work is boilerplate stuff: Muslims are misguided and dangerous, but it's nothing a little Jesus can't fix. Over the years, he has given a lot of speeches, and as happens to a lot of public speakers, at some point he seems to have gotten carried away. People began to notice discrepancies in Caner's story. Was he from Turkey or Sweden? Did he and his family move to Ohio when he was a teenager or a 3-year-old? When, exactly, did he have time to visit "my madrassa in Istanbul, Turkey" and "my madrassa in Cairo, Egypt," where "there's no question of what the doctrine of jihad was."

Just as Huey Long would have been called out in the age of YouTube, so too has Caner. His reputation suffered as a result of fellow Christians picking apart his autobiography, and he was demoted by Liberty. Years later, he seems to have decided to repair his image, and has launched a crusade to remove his videos from the internet. So far, his weapon of choice has been the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.

Earlier this month, he stepped up his game by filing an unusual lawsuit that has serious implications for the Freedom of Information Act. It stems from a gathering on April 15, 2005, when a unit of U.S. Marines invited Caner to provide "cultural training" for its service members preparing for deployment. (That the Marines chose Caner of all people is a scandal unto itself.)

That speech was recorded, and a copy of it was requested under the Freedom of Information Act. The request was granted, and the U.S. government released it into the public domain. In 2010, a Christian blogger named Jason Smathers posted the speech on his website. Last month, Caner filed suit against Smathers claiming copyright infringement.

Suddenly you have a problem that affects us all. Here is how the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) works. The public is entitled to documents and media generated by the executive branch, and unless there is an overriding national security concern, the petitioned agency is compelled by law to release said material in a timely manner. Watchdog groups rely on FOIA to uncover fraud, waste, and abuse by the federal government. Journalists and students use it for research purposes. Quite simply, the Freedom of Information Act is a powerful and essential check against the government and an important tool of oversight.

It's unlikely that Caner's copyright lawsuit will be successful, but as the Obama administration continues its unprecedented war on whistle-blowers and its immoral if not illegal domestic surveillance programs, every sunlight mechanism available to the public should be guarded jealously.

What would a win by Caner mean? According to Kel McClanahan, who is the executive director of National Security Counselors and a transparency activist who's taken Smathers's case, "It would mean that requesters can no longer trust the federal government to tell them that something is publicly available. One of the oldest axioms of FOIA law, with very few exceptions, is a release to one is a release to all. It is is an underpinning of FOIA. And in order for that to work, requesters should not have to do their own independent research to see if it might be copyrighted. The agency has already done that."

In an interview by telephone, he said, "If the agency releases information to you that is properly copyrighted, I should not be able to sue you because you relied on the federal government's determination that this is releasable. I should and can legally be able to sue the government for copyright infringement. If this [video] was properly copyrighted, the Marine Corps should definitely be on the hook for it. Jason Smathers should not. A victory by Caner would mean that anyone who wants to stop the government from releasing information, or stop people from using information that the government released about them can go after the requesters."

Effective government oversight by American citizens is essential to containing the sprawling and often unchecked secrecy apparatus of the United States. The Freedom of Information Act plays an essential role in "watching the watchers." What happens if requesters are afraid to share anything they've successfully petitioned from the government? To ask the question is to answer it.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Islam; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: erguncaner; foia; mbinfiltration; muslims
While stumping in the northern part of the state, [Louisiana Gov. Huey Long] would tell a story about waking at 6 o'clock every Sunday morning, hitching his family's old horse to a buggy, and bringing his Baptist grandparents to church. When addressing audiences in south Louisiana, he would tell the same story, only this time his grandparents were Catholic. It was an effective speech that played well to Louisiana's geographic religious divide. Once, after a rally, a local politician remarked, "Why Huey, you've been holding out on us. I didn't know you had Catholic grandparents," to which Long replied, "Don't be a damn fool. We didn't even have a horse."

....[Ergun Caner] seems to have decided to repair his image, and has launched a crusade to remove his videos from the internet. So far, his weapon of choice has been the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Earlier this month, he stepped up his game by filing an unusual lawsuit that has serious implications for the Freedom of Information Act. It stems from a gathering on April 15, 2005, when a unit of U.S. Marines invited Caner to provide "cultural training" for its service members preparing for deployment. (That the Marines chose Caner of all people is a scandal unto itself.) That speech was recorded, and a copy of it was requested under the Freedom of Information Act. The request was granted, and the U.S. government released it into the public domain. In 2010, a Christian blogger named Jason Smathers posted the speech on his website. Last month, Caner filed suit against Smathers claiming copyright infringement....

...."If the agency releases information to you that is properly copyrighted, I should not be able to sue you because you relied on the federal government's determination that this is releasable. I should and can legally be able to sue the government for copyright infringement. If this [video] was properly copyrighted, the Marine Corps should definitely be on the hook for it. Jason Smathers should not. A victory by Caner would mean that anyone who wants to stop the government from releasing information, or stop people from using information that the government released about them can go after the requesters." Effective government oversight by American citizens is essential to containing the sprawling and often unchecked secrecy apparatus of the United States. The Freedom of Information Act plays an essential role in "watching the watchers." What happens if requesters are afraid to share anything they've successfully petitioned from the government? To ask the question is to answer it.

1 posted on 07/22/2013 9:22:44 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy
RE: That story came to mind when I first learned about Ergun Caner, a Baptist minister and public speaker whose shtick is to describe his early life as a Muslim extremist, and then his discovering Jesus and becoming, well, a Christian extremist.

I'm not understanding the title of this thread. How can someone who calls himself a former Muslim extremist be sanitizing his Muslim past?

If you call yourself a Muslim extremist, aren't you in fact HIGHLIGHTING it?
2 posted on 07/22/2013 9:38:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Seems like it should read “faux Muslim past.”


3 posted on 07/22/2013 9:45:15 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: SeekAndFind
I'm not understanding the title of this thread. How can someone who calls himself a former Muslim extremist be sanitizing his Muslim past? If you call yourself a Muslim extremist, aren't you in fact HIGHLIGHTING it?

What Caner's trying to sanitize are his false claims of a Muslim past. See these threads for the backstory:
Blogger fights copyright suit [the Ergun Caner clash continues]
Caner sues to purge video from Web
Internet video scrubbing alleged [is Ergun Caner trying to make us forget something?]
Ergun Caner moving to school begun by J. Frank Norris
Liberty University Cuts Caner as Seminary Dean (Ergun Caner)
Liberty University Panel to Investigate Seminary President Caner's statements (Lying about past?)
Bloggers' questions lead to probe of ex-Muslim president of Liberty University's seminary
The Mike Warnke of this Generation? A Plea to Ergun Caner
Liberty U. to investigate alleged untruths by seminary president
Bloggers Target Seminary President (ERGUN CANER LIE)
Ergun Caner vs. James White on Calvinism (Radio Free Geneva)
New name, same historical revisionism [Liberty Theological Seminary, SBC]
Dr. Ergun Caner at Thomas Rd. Baptist Church this Sunday, July 30, 11:00 a.m.
Former Muslim now a dean at Falwell-founded seminary
Roiling religious waters (Ex-Muslim teaching theology for the Rev. Jerry Falwell)
Ex-Muslim to lead at Liberty U. - (very interesting development)
First Former Muslim Named Dean of Evangelical University
Jerry Falwell: Former Muslim Becomes Dean of Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary
Islam Unveiled -Dr. Ergun Caner
Former Muslim Dr. Ergun Caner Says: "Islam is NOT a Peaceful Religion"

4 posted on 07/22/2013 9:48:24 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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