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To: what's up

“In the Reformed camp, the ordo salutis is 1) election/predestination (in Christ), 2) Atonement 3) gospel call 4) inward call 5) regeneration, 6) conversion (faith & repentance), 7) justification, 8) sanctification, and 9) glorification. (Rom 8:29-30)

In the Arminian camp, the ordo salutis is 1) outward call 2) faith/election, 3) repentance, 4) regeneration, 5) justification, 6) perseverance, 7) glorification.

Notice the crucial difference in the orders of regeneration and faith. While the Reformed position believes spiritual life is a prerequisite for the existence of the other aspects of salvation, the Arminians believe that fallen, natural man retains the moral capacity to receive or reject the gospel of his own power. Even with the help of grace he still must find it within himself to believe or reject Christ.”

http://www.monergism.com/directory/link_category/ordo-salutis/

“One of my professors went to the blackboard and wrote these words in bold letters: “Regeneration Precedes Faith.”

These words were a shock to my system. I had entered seminary believing that the key work of man to effect rebirth was faith. I thought that we first had to believe in Christ in order to be born again.”

http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/sproul01.html

I think scripture overwhelmingly teaches we believe to live, not that we live to believe. When Jesus came preaching, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”, was Jesus mocking us? Was he calling to repentance those who could not do otherwise, and rejecting those who could not, or had God’s prevenient grace made it possible for all who heard to either believe the Gospel, or reject it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevenient_grace


72 posted on 07/12/2013 6:32:01 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Mr Rogers; what's up

From the same link:

“We must always keep in mind that the orders expressed in the following articles occur together or happen simultaneously like heat and fire. All aspects of the work of God continue together throughout the life of a Christian.”

That’s essentially what both What’s up and I have been saying. Though, of course, we do agree that the initiating act is by the Holy Spirit. It is inaccurate, however, to separate, through a gap, the faith that occurs “like heat from fire.”


75 posted on 07/12/2013 7:01:17 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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