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Where Do We Go From Here? (SCOTUS and DOMA)
Crisis Magazine ^ | June 27, 2013 | Scott P. Richert

Posted on 06/27/2013 6:06:06 AM PDT by NYer

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”The laws of our land are catching up to the fundamental truth that millions of Americans hold in our hearts: when all Americans are treated as equal, no matter who they are or whom they love, we are all more free.” —President Barack Obama, June 26, 2013

”I will tell you that I don’t believe in gay marriage . . . .” —Sen. Barack Obama, March 2, 2008

Yesterday’s Supreme Court decisions regarding the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) and California’s Proposition 8 should have come as no surprise to anyone. The handwriting was on the wall as far back as 2004, when Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives sponsored a bill that would have removed cases involving DOMA and state laws defining marriage from consideration by the federal courts. Article III, Section 2, of the U.S. Constitution grants Congress the power to determine the limits of the jurisdiction of the U.S. Supreme Court (and, by extension, all federal courts), and the George W. Bush administration had endorsed similar legislation that removed cases involving the Pledge of Allegiance and the detention of suspected terrorists at Guantanomo Bay from consideration by the federal courts.

Karl Rove, however, was convinced that initiatives defining marriage, on the ballot in several battleground states that fall, would increase voter turnout to the benefit of President Bush and other Republican candidates. The Republican-sponsored bill, on the other hand, might have decreased turnout, by convincing voters that the question of “gay marriage” had been addressed at the federal level. No one would go to the polls just to save the Pledge of Allegiance, so the Pledge could be protected from attacks in the federal courts. But protecting marriage? That was a different matter.

The Bush administration refused to endorse the bill. And yesterday’s decision gutting DOMA, authored by a Republican appointee to the Supreme Court, was the delayed but inevitable outcome.

In the wake of a major political defeat, the strong temptation is to double down, to pour all of our resources into further political battles. But the war over marriage, like the war over abortion, is at heart not a political battle but a cultural one. If we are to win it, we will not do so through legislation, because, for defenders of traditional culture, legislation is always at best a rear-guard action. By the time we found it necessary to pass laws defining and defending an institution that extends all the way back to the Garden of Eden, it was already too late for those laws to do anything more than to buy us a few years’ reprieve.

Of course, rear-guard actions are often necessary. And in this case in particular, we need to buy ourselves some time. But time to do what?

Time to shift the battleground in the war on marriage from the realm of politics to the realm of culture. Time for Christians to take to heart once again the words of the Psalmist: “Put not your trust in princes; in the sons of men, in whom there is no salvation.” Because even the best of politicians, wanting to win office or to remain in it once he gets there, is constantly tempted to see which way the wind is blowing. And the wind in the United States—even among many self-identified Catholics, like Justice Anthony Kennedy, the author of the DOMA decision—is in favor of a moral revolution that is striking at the very foundation of civilization: the family.

We can win the war on marriage on the battleground of culture, because a society built on a concept of marriage-that-is-not-marriage cannot long endure. But to shift the battleground, the Church must take the lead—and not the Church generically, but the Catholic Church specifically.

In the United States, only the Catholic Church has both the proper understanding of marriage and the moral authority to stand up against the political powers that have tried to arrogate to themselves the authority to redefine reality, to declare that the sky is green and the grass is blue. Only the Catholic Church has the wherewithal to say that the state has forfeited its right to say what marriage is, and what it is not.

How can the Church do so? Merely lecturing the state on the proper definition of marriage has not worked, and it will not work in the future. Speaking truth to power does not work when power hasn’t even the slightest interest in the truth. In Barack Obama’s America, marriage is merely a word, and words can be redefined at will—as indeed they must be, when they run up against the iron laws of “fairness” and “equality.”

Despite what President Obama thinks, however, any redefinition of marriage that includes sodomitic relationships is not a “fundamental truth.” As Pope Francis said of legislation to redefine marriage in Argentina, its author is the Father of Lies. And any state that wields the sword in defense of lies has forfeited its right to use that sword.

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, reacting to the DOMA decision, declared that “The Court got it wrong,” and “The federal government ought to respect the truth that marriage is the union of one man and one woman, even where states fail to do so. The preservation of liberty and justice requires that all laws, federal and state, respect the truth, including the truth about marriage.” But after this promising start, with its oughts and requires and truths, the USCCB goes on to call for further “public debate,” and for the Court’s decisions to be “reviewed and their implications further clarified.”

This isn’t the language that is needed. This isn’t the kind of action that will shift the battleground to one where the Church can win, and win decisively.

So what kind of action would? How about this: The bishops could tell the state to go to hell (which is where it is headed anyway). From now on, Catholics in the United States will be required, as always, to comply with the Church’s conditions for marriage, but the Church in the United States will no longer require, as She does now, that a man and a woman seeking to be married in the Catholic Church receive a marriage license from the state. If a couple wants to do so, for tax purposes or for other legal advantages, they will be free to do so; but the Church will no longer regard such a license as necessary, much less as having any moral weight. Marriage within the Church will be divorced entirely from what the state deems to be marriage.

Such an action would shift the battleground immediately. It would encourage other Christian denominations to take a stand, one way or the other. It would force “cultural Catholics,” like Justice Kennedy, to decide where their loyalty lies: with the Church and the truths that She upholds, or with the state and its degraded and degrading culture. And it would erect an impregnable barrier against the assault that everyone knows is just over the horizon: the attempt of the state to force the Church to perform the impossible, to marry a man to a man and a woman to a woman.

“How religious institutions define and consecrate marriage has always been up to those institutions,” President Obama declared after yesterday’s ruling. “Nothing about this decision—which applies only to civil marriages—changes that.” The bishops of the United States should take him at his word. If President Obama sees “civil marriage” and marriage as “define[d] and consecrate[d]” by the Church as two different things, the Church should treat them as such. The very act of doing so would deny legitimacy to “civil marriage” and preserve and protect true marriage better than any law or Supreme Court decision ever could.



TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: doma; homosexualagenda; marriage; scotus
In case you missed it, the following article provides perspective.

When the State Replaces God

1 posted on 06/27/2013 6:06:06 AM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
Pat Robertson on gay marriage

In history there's never been a civilization ever in history that has embraced homosexuality and turned away from traditional fidelity, traditional marriage, traditional child-rearing, and has survived. There isn't one single civilization that has survived that openly embraced homosexuality. So you say, "what's going to happen to America?" Well if history is any guide, the same thing's going to happen to us.

2 posted on 06/27/2013 6:06:36 AM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

Sorry, a man who views marriage simply as a concubinage contract is part of the problem.


3 posted on 06/27/2013 6:08:45 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The world understands that Putin means it and Obama doesn't." ~Mark Steyn)
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To: NYer
”The laws of our land are catching up to the fundamental truth that millions of Americans hold in our hearts: when all Americans are treated as equal, no matter who they are or whom they love

I love my pet chicken, why am I not being treated equal?!? I demand recognition for man/poultry marriage!!!

4 posted on 06/27/2013 6:13:54 AM PDT by apillar
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To: NYer

“Where do we go from here”?

Polygamy, obviously.


5 posted on 06/27/2013 6:14:06 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: NYer
In history there's never been a civilization ever in history that has embraced homosexuality and turned away from traditional fidelity, traditional marriage, traditional child-rearing, and has survived...

I don't think there ever HAS been a civilization that embraced homosexuality to the degree we already have (well maybe Sodom and Gomorrah, but they were so utterly destroyed not even records remain). Even in the most decadent days of the Roman Empire, homosexuality was, at best, tolerated as just another excess of the wealthy classes, and homosexual marriage wasn't even considered.

6 posted on 06/27/2013 6:19:19 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Jim Noble
“Where do we go from here”?

Polygamy, obviously, not to mention pedophilia, bestiality, and God know what else.
The "If it feels good, do it" crowd seems to be in control at the national level. The states are a different matter...

7 posted on 06/27/2013 6:22:10 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: NYer

The obvious option open to supporters of traditional marriage is to re-define the married state just as the government has. Create religious marriage as a recognized sacrament similar to baptism. Faith based people of all denomination are (presently still) free to recognize each others rite of marriage as sacramental and to expressly be neutral regarding state marriages.

It’s a small measure but it is a stake in the ground.


8 posted on 06/27/2013 6:26:39 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: NYer

What baffles me is the argument. 87 congress members and a president are racist because sodomizers have rights ?

The Chief Justice can set the rule of the the arguments of merit to the case before the court. It’s done every day it’s known as “the judge won’t allow”. Because the administration now favors “gay marriage” I wouldn’t expect what could be called a healthy defence from them. Sodomy wasn’t the issue . The issue was protecting the integrity and intention of a basic unit of society through a mechanisim known as marriage to encourage familys.

What should we expect from a political party which itself has gone through a marriage with one world socialist radicals known to many as communists who can’t even use the word God. They’ve hyphenated into Demo-Coms.


9 posted on 06/27/2013 6:28:29 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: apillar
I don't think there ever HAS been a civilization that embraced homosexuality to the degree we already have ...

Back in the late 60's, a recent immigrant from Italy surveyed the burgeoning growth of the American feminist movement and made a statement that I have never forgotten. Pointing to the ancient civilizations of Rome and Greece, he noted that once women rose to power, they were soon followed by increased demands by homosexuals. He noted that soon after, both civilizations collapsed. He then predicted the same would occur in the US. Remember, this was the late 60s!!! At the time, I laughed. Over the decades since, I have watched the erosion of our society into his prediction. I stopped laughing 20 years ago.

Interestingly enough, this same phenomenon is occurring throughout the western world - not just the US. It will be intriguing to see how this unfolds over the long term.

I am no fan of Pat Robertson but his statement, quoted above, is right on target.

10 posted on 06/27/2013 6:38:13 AM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: grobdriver
The states are a different matter...

Doubt it.

Supreme Court jurisprudence since 1948 has been slowly abolishing the "states" as anything other than administrative divisions of FedGov, and the states seem to like that just fine.

11 posted on 06/27/2013 6:39:45 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: NYer

End game is that there will be no legal definition of “marriage”. Which means that all children and inheritance become the property of the state.


12 posted on 06/27/2013 6:43:38 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: NYer

In a nutshell:

-State and District Courts begin picking traditional marriage apart in all 50 states, using the majority opinion that opposing it is clear-cut bigotry and denies gays their 5th. and 14th. Amendment rights.

-Gays begin getting married where possible and then moving en-masse to places where it’s not to confront the “haters” and get in their faces.

-Combined with ongoing forces that are breaking down the family, that concept will be obsolete in two decades.


13 posted on 06/27/2013 6:46:21 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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If homo “marriages” are allowed under law but forbidden under church canon, eventually (and you’d better believe it will be sooner than later) the two ruling authorities will come into conflict. Then a secular court will rule on whose authority dominates.

Would you like to guess which way that court will rule?


14 posted on 06/27/2013 6:47:45 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: NYer

BTTT!


15 posted on 06/27/2013 7:03:20 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer
There is NO way to deal with liars.

FMCDH(BITS)

16 posted on 06/27/2013 7:28:25 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: IronJack

The Court majority —and all Progressives in Congress not to forget the person in the Office of the President by their actions have made manifest their contempt for the Europeans cited most by the Founders of our system of Government Grotius, Locke, Blackstone all agreed —and in America at the College of Philadelphia James Wilson - taught that the authority for our human laws comes ultimately from Gods Law.
when the progressives in our Government redefine “marriage” to prove they embrace Sodomy and are in rebellion against God they lack authority.When we the people accept their opinion -or do nothing we cede our Constitutional Rights.


18 posted on 06/27/2013 8:34:51 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: NYer

“Pat Robertson on gay marriage:

In history there’s never been a civilization ever in history that has embraced homosexuality and turned away from traditional fidelity, traditional marriage, traditional child-rearing, and has survived. There isn’t one single civilization that has survived that openly embraced homosexuality. So you say, “what’s going to happen to America?” Well if history is any guide, the same thing’s going to happen to us.”

Absolutely right!

George Washington said, “It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.” America has been on a rapid path of moral degeneration since the early 1960’s.

Will they praise pedophilia next? Will they applaud bestiality, encouraging those who engage in the practice to stay committed and fight for social equality? Will they affirm necrophilia, sado-masochism, polygamy, and other sexual perversions?

The Bible is still relevant and true today after thousands of years, and homosexuality is still a sin and only leads a nation further into moral degeneration. When a nation has declined enough, it will eventually be destroyed through war, disease, famine, etc. Looking throughout the pages of world history we can see this is true.


19 posted on 06/27/2013 9:18:55 AM PDT by Lions Gate
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To: StonyBurk

Man’s law aligns with God’s law, ignores it, or defies it. In the first case, the consequences of obedience are the benefits of both man and God. In the second case, the benefits of man come, but God may or may not withhold His blessings. In the third instance, man’s blessings come at the cost of forfeiting God’s.

I’ll risk losing some earthly benefits to ensure a life in Eternity.

God’s laws overrules the courts’.


20 posted on 06/27/2013 12:16:51 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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