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[Alex Murphy]

The English philosopher Thomas Hobbes (1588-1679), author of Leviathan, built on Machiavelli’s political philosophy to undermine the “seditious” influence of religion. Hobbes, Wiker points out, “concluded that the political problem was the existence of any notion of religion independent of the political power. . . . Christianity itself had to be reformed in a Machiavellian way so that it would support the state rather than continually challenging it.”

Hobbes, the first proponent of the totalitarian state, dismissed the Church’s doctrine of sin insisting: “there was no sin and no right and wrong until the sovereign declares them to be so.” Natural rights do not come from God, but from the state. If there is to be a Church, it will be state controlled.

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[veracious]

Exactly, this USA has largely enthroned gov. (USG) as God. Much of the western church fully supported and continues to want USG to steal from the reach to give to the poor, when the Text says, we are to give individually, in accordance with His Truth and Spirit. This is good, since it allows us to oversee how it is spent, too.

[ReformationFan]

“Man must become independent of all his fellow men and absolutely dependent on the state”.-Rousseau, intellectual father of the French Revolution and precursor to Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot, Obama, etc.

[narses]

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