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To: Mrs. Don-o

“The Catholic Church’s doctrines are not traditions invented or manufactured centuries into the future. “

Well, not all. Just many. Just find that stuff during the Church’s first 100 years of life. If you find it in that timeframe, I will concede it is a tradition - not equal to inspired Scripture, but able to inform practice. That is plenty of time to see if there were any traditions being passed along.

... when they don’t show up for 300 years or more, it is silliness to claim they are not made up out of whole cloth and pagan roots.


51 posted on 04/13/2013 12:13:41 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; Mrs. Don-o
Many traditions are put forth in the book of the Acts of the Apostles. Here is just the first chapter. Need I continue? Or would you like to re-read Acts and pick out the practices that were carried out then, whether by word, or by person or a combination of both?

Acts 1:8 -- tradition of preaching
 
8
But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Sama'ria and to the end of the earth."
 
Acts 1: 14 -- tradition of praying together
 
14
All these with one accord devoted themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.
 
Acts: 1:15-26 -- tradition of Peter as the leader and the tradition of apostolic succession
 
15
In those days Peter stood up among the brethren (the company of persons was in all about a hundred and twenty), and said,
16 "Brethren, the scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke beforehand by the mouth of David, concerning Judas who was guide to those who arrested Jesus.
17 For he was numbered among us, and was allotted his share in this ministry.
18 (Now this man bought a field with the reward of his wickedness; and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out.
19 And it became known to all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that the field was called in their language Akel'dama, that is, Field of Blood.)
20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, `Let his habitation become desolate, and let there be no one to live in it'; and `His office let another take.'
21 So one of the men who have accompanied us during all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
22 beginning from the baptism of John until the day when he was taken up from us -- one of these men must become with us a witness to his resurrection."
23 And they put forward two, Joseph called Barsab'bas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthi'as.
24 And they prayed and said, "Lord, who knowest the hearts of all men, show which one of these two thou hast chosen
25 to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside, to go to his own place."
26 And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthi'as; and he was enrolled with the eleven apostles. 



54 posted on 04/13/2013 12:27:40 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
The fact that something didn't "show up" for 300 years or more (e.g. the Nicene Creed) doesn't mean it wasn't taught, believed, and lived for 300 years. Most of what "shows up" is just confirmation, clarification and documentation for stuff that was the belief and practice of the Churches since the first century AD.

For instance, just because the words "Incarnation" and "Trinity" don't appear until a couple of centuries later, doesn't mean that nobody believed in the Incarnation or the Trinity until, say, 325 AD.

BTW, do you believe in the Incarnation of Christ, and the Trinity?

55 posted on 04/13/2013 12:30:22 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (" If they refuse to listen even to the Church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.")
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