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To: Salvavida
Hello, Salvavida,

I think you should evaluate "Tradition" in the light of what it actually means: that which has been handed on to us. This includes handed on in writing, handed on in oral preaching, and handed on by example.

Since this is the meaning, then the really important question is not "how was it handed on (preaching? writing? example?) but WHO handed it on.

If it was handed on by the Apostles, then it is past of the "treasury" of the Apostolic faith which we all must carefully observe.

St. Paul himself said that we should both heed his words (oral preaching), and be imitators of him --- his example.

1 Corinthians 4:16
Therefore I urge you to imitate me.

1 Thessalonians 1:6
You became imitators of us and of the Lord, for you welcomed the message in the midst of severe suffering with the joy given by the Holy Spirit.

1 Thessalonians 2:14
For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus.

2 Thessalonians 3:9
We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate.

10 posted on 04/12/2013 6:51:36 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("He will come on that Day to judge the living and the dead, and the earth by fire.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
If it was handed on by the Apostles, then it is past of the "treasury" of the Apostolic faith which we all must carefully observe.

Problem is: there is no evidence that this 'treasury' you claim is from the apostles is really from any apostles...In fact, your 'treasury' is contrary to what we 'observe' in the written record; the scriptures...

1 Corinthians 4:16
Therefore I urge you to imitate me.

1 Thessalonians 1:6
You became imitators of us and of the Lord, for you welcomed the message in the midst of severe suffering with the joy given by the Holy Spirit.

2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Paul told us to hold fast to the traditions that have been taught (past tense)...We certainly could not be followers of 'tradition' that would occur centuries into the future...

The scriptures give a pretty good description of what the apostles taught and how they acted to give us an example on what to follow...

Peter taught us that we don't bow down to an apostle or any religious figure...Paul taught us that the 'leader's are not to seek the important places like the head of the table or a 'throne', or to wear long robes...Paul taught us that the churches are the people who are the members of the 'Body', not the leadership...

Paul taught us that a Bishop has to have a wife and a good family...Paul taught us that homosexuals are not to be honored in the churches...And certainly would not be acceptable as Bishops or Elders or Pastors...

2Th 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

So this raises the question...Have all of the Catholic Parishes rejected and distanced themselves from every homosexual religious leader since the time of the apostles to the present??? Or the ones who wear long robes or sit in seats of thos of supposed stature, or any of the many other obvious violations of example laid out in the scriptures???

2Th 3:14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.

I don't see where your religion follows after the traditions taught by the apostles hardly at all...

30 posted on 04/12/2013 10:51:02 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Appreciate your thoughts, but the verses you cite are those supporting the very basic methodology of discipleship regarding "modeling" Christ in front of those being discipled. The manner is which you exegete a text if far different from orthodox Christianity. R. Zuck is a great resource for this if you want to know what the arguments are.

But thank you just the same.

57 posted on 04/13/2013 12:55:16 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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