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To: bramps

For me, Hell is in the Bible for two reasons:

1. It helps to know your tormentors aren’t going to end up in the same place you are.
2. Power sometimes gives people the idea that things will always be the way they are. In fact the only worthwhile thing my Lutheran priest regarded the power of Rome.

Most Roman roads were marked by a stone symbol of the goddess Nike (goddess of victory). The stone carving was in the shape of an upside down acute triangle, with the long angle of the sculpted sign pointing the way down the road.

It’s from that stone sign that the very recognizable corporate symbol came for the manufacturer Nike. (The swoosh).

He said that never would it have been imagined that these symbols of Roman victory would be replaced by the Crucifix, but it has been.

Hell is there to remind the very pissed off that anything we could dream up in the way of retribution couldn’t come close to what God may have in store. It’s there to remind us that no earthly power lasts forever.

It’s there to remind us that Salvation is a gift, and not a capitulation, or act of weakness.

Hell isn’t a loaded gun pointed at everybody’s temple’s.

The deal is this - Love Him or don’t. It’s your choice.

God’s not a rapist. If you love Him, He’ll love you back. If you don’t love God, He doesn’t have to love you, though He’d prefer it.

Not everybody makes it to the next round. The frustration within me, and perhaps in many others, is that we know so little about the nature of the conflict. Some can accept that we don’t know, and go along with the plan. Others resent not knowing, and as such, act accordingly.

If we knew the entire nature of the conflict, I’m not sure our belief would be voluntary any more. Certainly, based on the empirical evidence, Hell, obviously, isn’t scary enough to make Salvation the obvious course.


190 posted on 04/08/2013 2:04:13 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs
Actually ? in man's compacity ? human weakness ?

Man could never love God in it's fullness or in the way God wants man to love him.

Rather ?

Boast about the love that God has for you.

Here in is love in it's purest form.

Not that we love God, nor can we ever love God back in the way that he intends for us to love him.

1 John 4:10:

In this is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

I am not even going to try to love God in the way that he intends for me to love him, because God knows very well that I fail him.

God knows full well of our weakness.

Rather ? I keep my heart and eye on God's love for me.

Now people will say " that preposterous " ... really ? is it ? if people were truely honest ?

Peter boasted about his love for Jesus, and Jesus even told Peter that Peter would deny him 3 times.

I know, I know, the commandment " thou shall love the lord with all thy heart, all thy mind, and all thy soul "

Did Israel always love God in the way that he intended for them to love him ?

Nope.

And what about the bible passages " The disiple that Jesus loved ".

John the disiple understood it, he realized Jesus's love for him.

And ? he was the only one left standing at the cross, or ran away.

Many things, that God does is counter intuitive to our fallen human nature.

People will say " but, but, but, God tells us to love him "

Focus on the love that God has for you ? and you will find yourself loving God in the way that he intended.

It's that simple.


Not that we loved God, but God loved us first and sent his son as a offering for us to take away our sins, i.e. condemnation.
204 posted on 04/09/2013 12:55:04 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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