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Quo Vadis? Islam and Ecumenism?
The National Catholic Register ^ | 3-26-13 | Patrick Archbold

Posted on 03/27/2013 7:40:56 AM PDT by marcbold

Ecumenism is a hot topic right now, particularly dialogue with Islam. But whenever I consider dialogue and ecumenism with Islam I always come back to one question.

What is the point?

By this question, I don't intend sarcastic commentary that any and all dialogue is fruitless. I mean it at face value. To measure the success of any endeavor, you must know what it is we wish to achieve by it.

So what do we hope to achieve with better dialogue with Islam?

First, may I suggest that it is not possible to have fruitful dialogue with Islam itself, but perhaps it is with some Muslims. This may seem like word games, but I think it is an important distinction. I will try to clarify.

Islam, as religion and as a movement does not dialogue, it conquers. If it can use dialogue to lull us to sleep while it conquers, so much the better. Such dialogue with Islam only serves the eventual imposition Islam. Islam, as a religion and as a movement cannot be reasoned with, because reason is not essential to it. Islam does not seek to conquer hearts and minds, it seeks simply to conquer...

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Islam; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholicism; ecumenism; islam; jihad; sharia; softjihad; stealthjihad

1 posted on 03/27/2013 7:40:56 AM PDT by marcbold
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I'll read the article later, but I really like the stated premise and brief statement of knowledge about islam.

I'm hoping to pick up some thought threads to dwell on for other seemingly impossible subjects; i.e., Americans and non Americans.

2 posted on 03/27/2013 7:46:56 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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Bravo. Thanks for posting.

3 posted on 03/27/2013 7:51:20 AM PDT by DManA
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Only 38% of British Muslims believe they should kill a Jew when they encounter them.

So, 62% won’t try.

Isn’t that comforting for dialog?

4 posted on 03/27/2013 8:18:35 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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While we tolerate and treat with respect Muslims in historically Christian countries

The beliefs of Muhammedanism are based on intrinsicism and mysticism and lead to practices that are cruel, savage, and uncivilized, such as:
1) jihad
2) sharia law
3) barbaric treatment of women
4) fatwas of 1996 and 1998 and the subsequent war against America

These beliefs cause Muhammedanism to be an assault on:
1) reality
2) reason
3) objectivity
4) independent rational judgment
5) the principle of non-initiation of force
6) natural rights

And it is incompatible with:
1) a free society
2) a rational culture
3) life proper to a rational being

It has therefore forfeited:
1) its status as a religion
2) its right to freedom of religion
3) the right of its believers to non-discrimination on the basis of religion
4) the privilege of tolerance

and deserves:
1) condemnation
2) denunciation
3) disapproval
4) intolerance
5) opposition

And it, therefore, should be banned from America, unless and until it's beliefs are reformed in a way that is compatible with reason, reality, and civilized life..

5 posted on 03/27/2013 8:52:10 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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If any further evidence is required

It’s a report on a Christian church in Turkey that was infiltrated by islamists with the sole intent of murder.

6 posted on 03/27/2013 9:17:14 AM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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7 posted on 03/27/2013 10:57:05 AM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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soft jihad bump

8 posted on 03/27/2013 10:41:05 PM PDT by Dajjal (Justice Robert Jackson was wrong -- the Constitution IS a suicide pact.)
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